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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    There is no changing of the word's meaning because there is no definite meaning of the word. If there were then everyone would define it the same way. There is and most likely never will be a consensus on the definition until game developers everywhere sit down and say "hmm yes this will be what is now a raid and shall be in any game made henceforth". Please just give up on your hopeless personal crusade. It wont make you right it and it wont change Coil from being a raid in this game.
    It can't make me something I already am.

    However, I don't doubt that you're correct in saying that this won't get SE to get out of being wrong.

    As for "no definite meaning of the word" ... rubbish. People have found MMO meanings for raid. And they were all, in one way or another, describing what I've been saying the whole time : multi-group events. Events that are too big for a single group to handle. Events that take more people when initially released than single-group content.

    Now you're saying that all that doesn't matter because "there is no definite meaning of the word"? Nice way of saying we're both right when we contradict one another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir
    This is FF XIV, other games are other games...none of which stick to the same numbers. What you believe is not an opinion to you, it is fact, therefore making your word law in your eyes. For everyone opposed to your opinion it's a lost cause trying to tell you otherwise. I'm sorry, but this game apparently has different standards than what you consider the "right" way, or the true definition. There is no actual standard for what is a raid or not. As it has been said already, SE made this game, so what they call a raid IS a raid in this game. You can either accept that, or people will continue disagreeing with you.
    When did I say that the numbers have to be consistent across all games? WoW has 2 and 5 group raids. EQ has 9 group raids. Wildstar .. I don't know their group size, but at 40 people, that's going to be a few groups.

    The number of groups in the raid only matters in that to be a raid, its got to be greater than one. THAT is the constant. 1 group = one group content. 2 or more groups = raid content. Last I looked, 2, 5, 9, they are all greater than one group. FF14's raid, CT, is 3 groups. Again, more than one group.

    Is one person a group? No. Is one person soloing somewhere doing group content? Maybe, if the character is strong enough to handle it. Is content designed for one person "group" content? No. Likewise, content designed for one group is not raid content. Is that soloer doing raid content? Could be, if the character is strong enough, which usually comes about as the game gets older and old raids do not increase in power with characters attempting them.
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