More Raid content please!

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Me : SE is wrong for calling single-group content "raid".
Others : SE said its raid, so its raid!
Me : I know they said so, they were in error to do so.
Others : doesn't matter what you say, they said its raid, so its raid!

Neither I nor SE get to define what "raid" means. While the majority of people here were quick to point out half of that statement, they were unwilling to admit the other half. I was never using "my" definition, I use the word appropriately. SE is not. With a proper understanding of what "raid" means, I posted that we need more of it, since CT is the only content that currently fits the definition of a raid.

What SE names a piece of content, such as both referring to it as Turns 6-9 and as the Second Coil, they are allowed to name it what they wish. When they classify something incorrectly, they are allowed to classify it as they wish - which happens to be incorrectly. They *should* classify BCoB and SCoB as group events, just like they classify Titan HM, Garuda EM, Good King Moggle Mog, etc. as group trials. Pointing out their inconsistency on their board obviously leads to people mindlessly adhering to what they say.

I'm still waiting for anyone to offer up what they think, without regard to developer, a raid actually is. Since, apparently, just about everyone thinks that "content designed to be beaten by more than one group" is not a good synopsis of the definitions people found on the internet. Notice that developer does not matter; there is no provision for what Sony thinks, what Blizzard thinks, what NCSoft thinks, what SE thinks, or what any developer thinks for their specific game. I'd also like to know why people think, above and beyond what SE calls it since I've called them into question, two pieces of 8 man content are "raids" in FF14 and the rest are not. Raiding is not necessarily top end, and can incorporate multiple tiers.

[Vahlnir]

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The truth of the matter is you're wrong, as the last 23 pages full of responses have proven. Using other MMOs or generic "standards" does not make what people have said any less true. Your dedication to your cause is admirable, but you aren't even open to the possibility that you could be incorrect in your assumptions. Let's do this again after another 23 pages, shall we? ^^; Now, as to my definition of a raid: It is any content intended to be completed by a group of skilled and geared individuals, whether it be one boss or many. Beyond that the numbers required vary from MMO to MMO, so there is no real standard other than it requires more than 4 or 5. Haven't seen a 1 or 2 man raid...well, ever. Unless someone is soloing old content.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

The truth of the matter is you're wrong, as the last 23 pages full of responses have proven. Using other MMOs or generic "standards" does not make what people have said any less true. Your dedication to your cause is admirable, but you aren't even open to the possibility that you could be incorrect in your assumptions. Let's do this again after another 23 pages, shall we? ^^; Now, as to my definition of a raid: It is any content intended to be completed by a group of skilled and geared individuals, whether it be one boss or many. Beyond that the numbers required vary from MMO to MMO, so there is no real standard other than it may require more than 4 or 5. Haven't seen a 1 or 2 man raid...well, ever. Unless someone is soloing old content.

By your definition, seeing as Copperbell requires some skill (that should have been learned by the time you reach a high enough level in your class to do the dungeon) and requires 4 people (raids only "may" require more than 4 or 5) it counts as a raid?

You obviously just skipped over me explicitly stating what i think of as a raid, let me just go ahead and quote myself.

When I think of a raid I think of a fight much more challenging than the rest of the game that can consist of either one really powerful boss or multiple segments each with their own boss leading up to a really powerful one.(Independent of party size because more often than not, adding more people just makes the likelihood of error higher which in an entirely artificial increase in difficulty) Your right though, obviously my definition of raid is wrong and yours is the only one that could ever be correct.

You've described any dungeon that has a boss fight. Although, your statement that it is independent of group size is accurate, since it is the number of groups (as per that "large scale" definition earlier in the thread) being greater than one that makes it go from group content to raid content.

But, apparently, as far as anyone here is concerned, raid content is an additional descriptor, on a different level from solo content or group content. Have fun people. You've put to rest any desire I've had to have multi-group content.

What FF14 needs are more SOLOABLE RAIDS!!!!!! It lacks any at all!!!!!!!!!!

[Xatsh]

What FF14 needs are more SOLOABLE RAIDS!!!!!! It lacks any at all!!!!!!!!!!

I agree we need solo player raids in XIV.

[Vahlnir]

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You just love picking apart everyone's statements and manipulating them, don't ya? The "may" will be removed so there is no confusion. Now, that said: The "may" was meant to convey my statement in a casual manner that it wasn't a fact. As I have said before, numbers will vary. Though I believe it is certainly more than 4 or 5.

[Gamma621]

Me : SE is wrong for calling single-group content "raid".
Others : SE said its raid, so its raid!
Me : I know they said so, they were in error to do so.
Others : doesn't matter what you say, they said its raid, so its raid!

Neither I nor SE get to define what "raid" means. While the majority of people here were quick to point out half of that statement, they were unwilling to admit the other half. I was never using "my" definition, I use the word appropriately. SE is not. With a proper understanding of what "raid" means, I posted that we need more of it, since CT is the only content that currently fits the definition of a raid.

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

[Xatsh]

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

[Archulak]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only game that considers a raid = full party.

Why does the game that originally designated something called a raid get to have the undisputed definition of it......... see how that works.

[Gamma621]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means first person shooter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

That sentence makes as much sense as what you are saying.