More Raid content please!

[Zarzak]

Ah I get it zarzak. End game events only count in your opinion if they provide the best gear...hmm certainly one way to think of it. Guess SCoB won't count anymore for you once 2.4 drops, despite people likely still needing to progess through that end game content. Shame, but least I understand your stance now.

If group gear didn't surpass the raid content? Sure it would be the entry tier of raiding.

But the progression path in MMOs is...

Step 1: get level cap
Step 2: do the entry group content until you have a full set of "group gear"
Step 3: start raiding for raid gear

group gear currently = weathered. Weathered is ilvl 100.

Coil 1-5 drops ilvl 90. This is irrelevant content. Were it set up like MMOs of old that don't invalidate content every tier release it would look something like...

Patch 2.4

group gear = ilvl 80
raid tier 1 = ilvl 90
raid tier 2 = ilvl 100
raid tier 3 = ilvl 110

^ In this model you would be right. Coil 1-9 would still be relevant and part of the progression path. If you can't understand how absurd it sounds to suggest that in 2.4 people go do Coil 1-5 for ilvl 90 gear when the equivalent Brayflox Hard will be providing ilvl 120 gear......

[Archulak]

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There's definitely still progression in the model we have now, unless when you hit 50 you immediately think to yourself 'cool only 6 more weeks and I'll have good enough gear to que for t1-5. Sure you get the gear from tomes eventually but you're restricted to 1 piece per week max, and you do still have to beat the previous turns to even access future ones. The tome gear does supplement the raid gear but unless you want to wait a month or 2 before you even start raiding, it's not like the old gear is immediately obsolete.

[SDaemon]

The gear is is irrelevant but it still takes t5 clear to do t6 and to clear t5 most new players will do t1 through 4 spam to gear for it. I consider that relevant...simple to do and definitely low on the totem pole though. Likewise I see t9 clear being needed for t10, making doing SCoB still relevant. Furthermore new players will still need to do t5 if they haven't cleared. Unless of course SE removes the req, then yeah CoB becomes totally void from the equation.

[Tyrial]

Snip.

Apparently you're the one who fails at reading, since the debate in this thread has been Multi-group content (CT) Vs. Solo Group content (BCoB and SCoB).

How is soldiery gear considered "group gear"? You can earn your soldiery gear SOLO by doing Treasure Maps and Beast Tribe quests. Soldiery gear is Tome gear, plain and simple.

Also, Coil 1-5 is hardly irrelevant as some drops are considered BiS prior to being able to get into Second Coil. You cannot fully gear up in Soldiery gear in a single week for your Main class, let alone an alt, thus making your point irrelevant. Not to mention the fact that some Soldiery pieces are so poorly itemized that you can't even wear them until you have other pieces from Second Coil in order to maintain proper stats to be able to Raid effectively. But hey, maybe your vision sucks and you can't read Party Finder descriptions, right?

Tome gear will never be the "Go To" gear for a fresh 50 as long as said Tome is on a weekly cap given the fact that you can only get one piece per week. For a fresh player they're going to get their weekly cap of Tomes and then go do earlier Raid content to gear up (whichever "tier" is appropriate for their current ilvl) and then work from there. Maybe the pieces they get will only last a few weeks, but it's going to be their only choice for quick and easy gear until lockouts are removed.

[Exstal]

I'd just like to say there is nowhere in the game will you find a turns called, Turns 6, 7, 8 and 9. Please use the correct terms while discussing.

[SDaemon]

I'd just like to say there is nowhere in the game will you find a turns called, Turns 6, 7, 8 and 9. Please use the correct terms while discussing.

I will use t6, 7, 8 and 9 to refer to SCoB t1, 2, 3 and 4 if I want to lol. The community at large understands what I mean by those.

Ran out of posts for now, so I'll edit here.

T6, 7, 8 and 9 are XIV community formed terms to refer to those raids. It is perfectly reasonable to use those in a discussion.

[Exstal]

I will use t6, 7, 8 and 9 to refer to SCoB t1, 2, 3 and 4 if I want to lol. The community at large understands what I mean by those.

But you can't discuss raids without using the correct terms. So use the right ones, please.

[Sapphic]

The gear is is irrelevant but it still takes t5 clear to do t6 and to clear t5 most new players will do t1 through 4 spam to gear for it. I consider that relevant...simple to do and definitely low on the totem pole though. Likewise I see t9 clear being needed for t10, making doing SCoB still relevant. Furthermore new players will still need to do t5 if they haven't cleared. Unless of course SE removes the req, then yeah CoB becomes totally void from the equation.

Not really, as you still need to hit the accuracy cap, something not all soldiery gear will give. Not to mention that you can fill up in ilvl90 whilst soldiery capping for 1lvl100, as t6 is doable in ilvl90, 100 is not needed, just helps XD

Albeit that will change with 2,3 Crystal Tower.

[Roris]

I will use t6, 7, 8 and 9 to refer to SCoB t1, 2, 3 and 4 if I want to lol. The community at large understands what I mean by those.

Ran out of posts for now, so I'll edit here.

T6, 7, 8 and 9 are XIV community formed terms to refer to those raids. It is perfectly reasonable to use those in a discussion.

But you are wrong, SE decided their proper names in this game are Second Coil Turn 1 to 4, why are you going against SE's official terms? Stop trolling this thread with your weird fake terms for content in this game.

[Archulak]

But you are wrong, SE decided their proper names in this game are Second Coil Turn 1 to 4, why are you going against SE's official terms? Stop trolling this thread with your weird fake terms for content in this game.

See i find this reply hilarious because he was still talking about one thing having multiple definitions and you're sill arguing that things can only have one..........

The difference being that he admits that SCob t1-4 is synonyms with his preferred name of t6-9 and neither is wrong.