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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Eh, it sucks when I can't find a page almost a year old. If it were imaginary, I'd know exactly where I dreamt it up!

    As for saying I'm stuck on semantics, words have meaning. Raid means more than one group.

    Solo content = content done by an individual.
    Group content = content done by one group.
    Raid content = content done by more than one group.

    That's the way MMO's are.

    FF14:ARR has plenty of solo content, and plenty of group content. What it lacks is raid content.
    Even if you were right everyone here disagrees. What's the point of continuing this? Last I checked you aren't the official person who decides this. You need to find a way to deal with it. In this game raid does not mean group. There is an entire raid achievement section that specifically includes coil. I don't care what your definition is. This game calls them raids so they a raids. Deal with it.
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    If I'm right, then why persist in permitting a wrong?

    I'm just trying to get more actual raid content - more multi-party content - added to FF14:ARR. Crystal Tower is not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    If I'm right, then why persist in permitting a wrong?

    I'm just trying to get more actual raid content - more multi-party content - added to FF14:ARR. Crystal Tower is not enough.
    Just leave the RAID part out and just go with more multi-party content and I'm sure you'll be better received.
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    OP you got it all wrong. Raid don't even have anything to do with MMOs.

    They have a lot to do with bugs though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizniztyme View Post
    Just leave the RAID part out and just go with more multi-party content and I'm sure you'll be better received.
    I said as much earlier but he's dead set on convincing everyone of his definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    OP you got it all wrong. Raid don't even have anything to do with MMOs.

    They have a lot to do with bugs though
    However, that is a picture of three cans. Multi group content = Raid.

    OP approves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeganLaron View Post
    However, that is a picture of three cans. Multi group content = Raid.

    OP approves.
    This game needs more multi-can content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    If I'm right, then why persist in permitting a wrong?

    I'm just trying to get - more multi-party content - added to FF14:ARR. Crystal Tower is not enough.
    You'd first have to demonstrate that your definition is what Square Enix's definition is. Since you can't prove that, that means you are asserting something. Which is an argument from ignorance.

    I don't like multi-group content because it's usually one of two things; easier because more people to make mistakes, significantly harder because people need to be in the top 20% to win.

    Coil is pretty good for what it does.
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    First off, that's not *my* definition - that's the definition as exemplified by MMO's over the past 15 years. The concept of raiding in MMO's existed long before there were even instances in MMO's. Raiding open world bosses, racing to beat others to the spawn, some people actually found that fun. Instances killed that fun, but opened raiding up to a lot more people.

    Secondly, while you are allowed to disagree with my assertion that the game needs more raid content, and while Coil is pretty good for one-group content, one-group content is still NOT raid content.
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    In short, you're arguing the difference in soccer over football. In this land, soccer is correct.
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