More Raid content please!

[Tiggy]

IF the devs made solo player content and called them raids... would that also be a raid? Would a scientist saying the sky is Brown make it true?

They need to stop calling them raids. They by the definition of the term RAID is not a single party in a mmo.

This has to be the dumbest thing in this thread. A raid is simply a dungeon of heightened difficulty to be tackled by a group of players. Every games defined that size differently. To somehow compare flexible language conditions with the scientific definition of the color blue and the wavelength of the photons that create it is completely ridiculous.

Seriously people. Raids are simply tough dungeons. They are not necessarily multi party at all. This insane definition you have is unrealistic and doesn't for a second take into consideration the differences between games and it doesn't allow for developers to try new things. This isn't the only game to have single party raids either.

[Morningstar1337]

FOUR 10 minute 8 man events is not nearly enough raid content. Personally I'm hanging out until the expansion but if it isn't bumped up to 10+ I'm definitely done. If there aren't LARGER raids I may anyway. I'm tired of having to demand 100% raid attendance from a team to accomplish anything and an 8 man group can't realistically have a 3-4 man bench. That is half a group.

Ooh an instance with 80+ players? That ought to be interesting

[Felis]

The only raid in XIV is CT1 currently and CT2 to come.

And Frontlines

[Xatsh]

This has to be the dumbest thing in this thread. A raid is simply a dungeon of heightened difficulty to be tackled by a group of players. Every games defined that size differently. To somehow compare flexible language conditions with the scientific definition of the color blue and the wavelength of the photons that create it is completely ridiculous.

Seriously people. Raids are simply tough dungeons. They are not necessarily multi party at all. This insane definition you have is unrealistic and doesn't for a second take into consideration the differences between games and it doesn't allow for developers to try new things. This isn't the only game to have single party raids either.

Want to tell me where you got that definition? Because I have been playing mmos along time and a not in WoW, EQ, XI, Aion, L1, L2 did anyone ever consider a raid "hard content". That is not what a raid is at all.

Yes some raids are hard and normally are the penticle of endgame. But in all game mentioned low man endgame content that was difficult in all other mmos I mentioned never called them raids.

[Tiggy]

So you're telling me that gaming isnt an ever evolving field? Mmo's today are identical to the ones 15 years ago? Games change. The genre changes. Definitions change. It's called innovation and differentiation so that every game isn't the same. If the genre was so stagnant it wound be boring. You need to broaden your personal definition. It's limiting. Coil is a raid, and you need to find a way to live with that fact. What you specifically want us multi party raids. If this thread had been more specific on that point instead of acting like coil doesn't count due to personal definitions then a better discussion may have been had. All this exclusion of coil and outdated definitions are nothing but a distraction from what would have been a more interesting conversation. Lastly, if more group raids is what this is all about then it makes the thread seem simply ill timed since another one come out next week.

[Kuroyasha]

Ooh an instance with 80+ players? That ought to be interesting

I could be wrong but....I think he means 10+ 8 man events, not an event with 80 players. His following statements imply that he'd like 16 man content ideally, but knows that even wishing for it, it's most likely to remain a wish.

[Dhex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming)

"A raid is a type of mission in a video game in which a very large number of people (larger than the normal team size set by the game) attempt to defeat a boss monster."

4/8-man is pretty standard and prevalent throughout the game - Story missions, Primals, basic dungeons use 4/8-man parties.

Coil really isn't a raid. If it wasn't for the trash Coil would be exactly the same as Primal fights.

[Archulak]

Thank you all for so adamantly quoting Wikipedia because we all know that definitions never change and Wikipedia is always correct..........

[Tiggy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming).

Language and definitions are organic things that change. Posting a wiki article isn't a statement of fact. Also, pay attention to the section on how raiding was taking to much time and laws were being passed to limit game time. FFXIV could be seen as the next progression for raids that take this into account and is trying to find a more realistic method. This is especially important done the China release is on the horizon. As I said this rigid definition leaves no room for innovation or positive change.

Fun fact time! That will page was edited "Last edited 8 months ago by an anonymous user." For those of us paying attention that was before FFXIV added CT. So even that page seems to have counted it since it is listed in the games with raids section. Kind pokes holes through wiki as a good source doesn't it?

[Dhex]

For the sake of baseline definition I think the quoted portion is relevant.

Raiding is something large scale.

Coil is not large scale.