More Raid content please!

[MikeyLikesIt]

Alright now what if every mob just had a million hp but did 0 dmg is it still better?

No. That would be a raid on a target dummy. Whatcha smoking? Can I have some?

[Archulak]

No. That would be a raid on a target dummy. Whatcha smoking? Can I have some?

I'm glad you brought this up because i agree that we could use some somewhat difficult larger raid that'd be alright(not a fan of really large scale ones because then the dungeon tends not to be hard it's just about finding a bunch of non brain-dead members), but that's not what the OP seems to believe.

Difficulty is irrelevant. Raids are MULTI-PARTY events. That is the very definition of a raid : more than one party/group.

I would not call Crystal Tower hard. Would you? Its not "tough" at all. Yet it is the raid in FF14.

Binding Coil, whether talking turn 1 or turn 9, is a single-Full Party event. One is not more than one, therefore Binding Coil is NOT a raid.

FF14 needs some more RAIDS, and it needs TOP END raids, not "a step below top end" raids.

That being said I don't believe that people should be rewarded with the best gear in the game for being able to form a party of non brain-dead members maybe some nice side grades a tier below the best, and give it a loot lockout instead of a weekly so you can choose what you get........ oh wait that's CT(don't get me wrong I'm not saying we don't need new large party stuff, I basically just want things like CT that are harder but give the same loot that CT already does, maybe 5 ilvls higher.

[Ethos]

They are planning to release brutal mode Coil so there is always a small chance that once they add in alliances and the ability to queue as an alliance that they could add a non-nerfed brutal mode of CT.

[Heskett]

Pre-made alliances are scheduled for 2.35, but it's best to assume that raids geared towards the hardcore with 10+ people won't be around until first expansion or after.

[SDaemon]

IF the devs made solo player content and called them raids... would that also be a raid? Would a scientist saying the sky is Brown make it true?

They need to stop calling them raids. They by the definition of the term RAID is not a single party in a mmo.

8 man is fine if they want to focus purely on low man content for difficulty. Just call it what it is full party content.

They need to call it what it is party content. It is not breaking Genre Standards... it is just not adding raids. All mmo have party content, they just call it that.

8 is 2 less people then WoW popular 10 raiding. 8m is also made up of two 4 man parties combined into 1, just as 10m is made of 2 two 5 man parties in WoW. Large gigantic 40m "raids" are not only incredibly dull, reduced to tank spank or zerg fests, but are a nightmare to organize. Honestly there is nothing wrong with the number of players in the raid, it's the raid design that could use tweaking.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

8 is 2 less people then WoW popular 10 raiding. 8m is also made up of two 4 man parties combined into 1, just as 10m is made of 2 two 5 man parties in WoW. Large gigantic 40m "raids" are not only incredibly dull, reduced to tank spank or zerg fests, but are a nightmare to organize. Honestly there is nothing wrong with the number of players in the raid, it's the raid design that could use tweaking.

To correct you .. 8 man is a "full PARTY" made up of two 4 man "light PARTY" combined into one.

The CT raid is multiple 8 man "full PARTY" running around in the same instance.

You are correct - there is nothing wrong with the number of people in the raid (24). However, since they are only one party, you can't call Coil a raid and they need to both stop calling it a raid, and introduce actual end-game raids.

If you are going to cite another game, so shall I. In Everquest, you have 6 man groups. Group content is designed around having up to 6 people there. The Raid system, introduced for Planes of Power over a decade ago, supports twelve such groups - 72 people in all. A couple of expansions later, they reduced the number of people instances could hold by 3 groups, down to 54, but the raid system still supports 72.

The raids in EQ are also a lot more complicated than mere zergs or tank'n'spank. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...tml?quest=5081 for example, has more than just tank'n'spank involved. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...tml?quest=3351 was fun pandemonium. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...tml?quest=7416 has a lot more than tank and spank - plenty of kiting and other crowd control in addition to the tank'n'spank.

Raids can be a lot more than what we have here in FF14 atm, a lot more than WoW's zerg and tank'n'spank raids. We all just need to recognize that 8 man Full Party content is NOT raid content, and SE need to stop calling some Full Party content "raid" and other Full Party content "group".

[SDaemon]

To correct you .. 8 man is a "full PARTY" made up of two 4 man "light PARTY" combined into one.

The CT raid is multiple 8 man "full PARTY" running around in the same instance.

You are correct - there is nothing wrong with the number of people in the raid (24). However, since they are only one party, you can't call Coil a raid and they need to both stop calling it a raid, and introduce actual end-game raids.

You are arguing terminology in place of arguing content because you don't agree with 8m raids. Though I doubt even if they used the word raid instead of full party you would not complain.

[Roris]

When 8 people form a party the game shows FULL PARTY in big caps, therefore 8 man content is full party content and not a raid. A raid would be alliance content, as in multiple full parties in this game's case 3 full parties, FATEs not included of course. Therefore CT is currently the only raid until CT2 is added in a week. Don't see how that's so hard to understand or why people are coming with silly justifications to call 8 man content a raid.

[Archulak]

When 8 people form a party the game shows FULL PARTY in big caps, therefore 8 man content is full party content and not a raid. A raid would be alliance content, as in multiple full parties in this game's case 3 full parties, FATEs not included of course. Therefore CT is currently the only raid until CT2 is added in a week. Don't see how that's so hard to understand or why people are coming with silly justifications to call 8 man content a raid.

It's not silly and he's just saying that what you're arguing about isn't the actual system it's that it says "FULL PARTY". So what would be the case if it said "Party Formed" for 4 man, "Raid Formed" for 8 man and "Alliance Formed" for 24 man. It's literally just about semantics.

[SDaemon]

When 8 people form a party the game shows FULL PARTY in big caps, therefore 8 man contentmi is full party content and not a raid. A raid would be alliance content, as in multiple full parties in this game's case 3 full parties, FATEs not included of course. Therefore CT is currently the only raid until CT2 is added in a week. Don't see how that's so hard to understand or why people are coming with silly justifications to call 8 man content a raid.

Oh but those are alliances not raids. If we are going to be stringent with terminology here need to be universal.