More Raid content please!

[Roris]

There is a distinct difference. You dismiss all other definitions and say they're wrong, calling SCoB t1-4 't6-9' and saying that they are synonyms meaning that both are equally correct, is not the same thing.

OP used a widely accepted synonym for multi group content in other MMOs, especially in the ones this game heavily borrows from, almost copied directly if you will. He then clarified on the different tiers of content depending on how many people are participating and their composition: solo, group and raid (multi group). Now since the term light means something isn't quite as heavy or full, a Full Party can be safely considered as single full group, just the one group. Then a couple of people who always take every bit of criticism personally decided this was a direct attack on the integrity of the game with direct critical accusations that the game doesn't have a lot of multi group content, which it doesn't by the way, and instantly dismissed everything he said especially knowing full well what he meant by using the term raid.

So yes, it is the same thing. If the game defines Coil as a raid therefore it must be one and must be called so by everyone, so by the same logic he should abide to calling it Second Coil because the game defines it as so, nowhere in the game does it state they are Turn 6 to 9, only the game's definition matters. It's simple really, wouldn't want people thinking anyone is a hypocrite or an apologist.

[Bizniztyme]

I wouldn't argue with two people with no common sense and can't look past their narrow mind guys. It's pointless, their brains can only hold so much.

[Dano]

this whole thread has gone to the pits, the main objective remains unheard lol what a pity.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

[SDaemon]

No, the wording means a large group. It doesn't mean multi-party (which would what you would have in LoTA with their 3 Alliances btw). How is 10m raiding multi-party? There are 5m dungeons and 10m raids in WoW, made of of 10 people. How is that multi-party? It doesn't break the raid up into 2 groups of 5, that isn't how it works. Would that mean that everyone raiding 10m in WoW aren't really raiding to you?

It is simply 10 people raiding, a larger group then the regular 5 people who run dungeons. In XIV you have that. You have 4 people running dungeons and 8 people running the raids in CoB/SCoB.

So because the 2 end game scenarios are 8m and the trials are 8m it invalidates that 8m raiding is larger then the regular 4m dungeons?

If WoW (using this as an example for simplicity's sake) were to come out with content (while still having their regular 5 man dungeons) other than 10m raiding that used 10 players, 10m raiding would no longer be raiding? Just in the name of comparison.

[Ransu]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

Stop...just stop....

[WingsofWar]

In this game I was under the impression that single party group is 4 man consisting of 1 tank,1 healer, 2dps.

Then a 2 party group would be 8 man, 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4dps.....is that not a raid?

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn't something i'm that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

[Ransu]

In this game I was under the impression that single party group is 4 man consisting of 1 tank,1 healer, 2dps.

Then a 2 party group would be 8 man, 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4dps.....is that not a raid?

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn't something i'm that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

It is, but don't tell roth that.

[Zarzak]

seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

CT isn't a static. It is a pug of course it is going to be a cluster f*$K.

Statics would have a easier time maintaining a 24 man weekly coil run than a 8 man. Why? Because they could have a gdamn bench. You can't have a bench when the bench would be half the size of another full group just to cover your bases. A bench atm would need a tank, healer, caster dps, melee dps, maybe a bard depending on the group. That's 5 people to serve as a bench for a 8 man group. Makes no sense. In a 24 man raid environment however.

The larger the raid (and with more events... 10-12ish) a 24 man raid group could easily support a 8-9 player bench. Cycling the bench in to say half the events a week and never have to worry about whether or not your whole group has 100% raid attendance or not.

[SDaemon]

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I've seen benches and player rotations work smoothly in 10m raiding in WoW. Don't see how it wouldn't with 8m as long as the people knows who is being sat out from certain boss, who to rotate in to help gear out people.

Even for larger groups however the issue exists with benches that anyone serious about raiding won't be satisfied prepping for end-game just to sit on a bench hoping they are needed for the week. While I have seen benches work, it takes as much recruiting for the bench because people will leave to find raid groups as it does for any raiders that happen to leave.