More Raid content please!

[Zarzak]

The point was vehemently made that all that was required to count as a raid was multiple groups. NOW the difficulty thing comes in? Wow guys. Just wow.

The difficulty has been a factor since day 1. Also the fact that it doesn't drop raid level gear. But if you want to be willfully ignorant go right ahead. Yoshi himself has stated that CT isn't designed to be end game raid content but rather the casual content for level 50s.

[Gamma621]

Then you clearly aren't understanding the thread at all.

/afk mode CT that drops group tier gear is NOT raid content. Raid content is something many people call "challenging" and if you think CT is a challenge I would like to know how you made it through Hard Mode primals as they are far more challenging than CT is designed to be.

I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you've already beaten Syrcus Tower. Have you uploaded your strategy videos yet?

Calling content that hasn't even been released yet "easy" just makes you sound stupid and arrogant. Crystal Tower was designed as a way to get better gear in preparation for Binding Coil, without having to grind Myth Tomes. (Ya know, back when you could only get 1 piece of myth gear every 3 weeks.) And you want raids to be challenging, yet for some reason, will not acknowledge Coil as a raid just because it's not multi group.

This game has not even been out for a year yet, and it already has twice as much content than it started with. If you're not happy with it, than it sounds like a personal problem, and you should find another game.

[Zarzak]

I'm sorry, I'd forgotten that you've already beaten Syrcus Tower. Have you uploaded your strategy videos yet?

Calling content that hasn't even been released yet "easy" just makes you sound stupid and arrogant. Crystal Tower was designed as a way to get better gear in preparation for Binding Coil, without having to grind Myth Tomes. (Ya know, back when you could only get 1 piece of myth gear every 3 weeks.) And you want raids to be challenging, yet for some reason, will not acknowledge Coil as a raid just because it's not multi group.

This game has not even been out for a year yet, and it already has twice as much content than it started with. If you're not happy with it, than it sounds like a personal problem, and you should find another game.

The game started with 4 end game events. Currently the game has 4 end game events. This has not increased.

[SDaemon]

So we finally agree the game has little large scale 10+ man content and little content in general? Great, so silly trying to skirt around the issue by arguing terms, but I guess the game is the real victim always, we gotta defend our game from those darn trolls amirite! Heaven forbid someone uses a WoW term to describe 10+ man content in a blatant WoW clone MMO. Good job everyone.

We've agreed on that from the first several pages that out of the 2 raids available only 1 has 10+ people and yes it would be fun to have more larger group raiding like CT, but yes small group raiding like Coils should still be made and encouraged.

Nice that you are making party size (seems your going with 10 minimum now, odd but egh) an issue again when several pages ago it was argued on your side that party size was not the issue and that it was a multi party issue. But I digress, yes finally we come to an actual topic.

[Gamma621]

I never understood the point of this thread anyways. He posts asking for more 24-man content a week after they show a trailer for Syrcus Tower, the newest 24-man raid.

So they're already bringing what he's asking for, and this topic was pointless.

[Illya]

I have 4 ex-WoW players in my Coil group and they seem just fine with calling it a Raid. I'm sorry the OP's definition of Raid is different than other people's, I guess?

[Roth_Trailfinder]

End-game is constantly changing.

SCoB replaced BCoB as "end-game". SCoB is the only end-game content right now. ST, the follow on to CT, is not going to be end-game unless or until it is a higher tier than SCoB. Considering that BCoB was higher tier than CT, I rather doubt that ST will be higher tier than SCoB.

When the Third Coil of Bahamut hits, or something harder with getter loot than SCoB hits, then it will replace SCoB as end-game. End-game is an ever changing point, as content gets added on top of the existing end-game, replacing it.

The single-group nature of BCoB and SCoB still mean they are not raid events, despite SE's classification. A full group is 8 people in FF14:ARR. While an argument can (and, a page or two back, has) been made that the half-group "light party" is the real group, and that the "full party" aspect makes BCoB and SCoB raids, that would logically also make Castrum, Praetorium, and all primal HM/EM events raids as well, something no one, not even SE, is claiming. since they are not raids, Coil is not actually a raid either.

BTW - I've still never played WoW. The term "raid" originates from well before WoW killed the Warcraft RTS series.

[SDaemon]

Please don't bring this back to your ridiculous claims about raids in XIV-ARR Roth. We've already accepted you won't admit your wrong so no need to bring it up further.

[Exstal]

I'd just like to say there is nowhere in the game will you find a turns called, Turns 6, 7, 8 and 9. Please use the correct terms while discussing.

[SDaemon]

I'd just like to say there is nowhere in the game will you find a turns called, Turns 6, 7, 8 and 9. Please use the correct terms while discussing.

I will use t6, 7, 8 and 9 to refer to SCoB t1, 2, 3 and 4 if I want to lol. The community at large understands what I mean by those.

Ran out of posts for now, so I'll edit here.

T6, 7, 8 and 9 are XIV community formed terms to refer to those raids. It is perfectly reasonable to use those in a discussion.