More Raid content please!

[Vahlnir]

SE decided, after initially saying it was not a raid, to call it a raid. What their reasons were, frankly, is neither here nor there - nor does it really matter that they were wrong to call it a raid. What matters is that FF14 needs more raids, not one-group content misnamed raids. It needs more group content as well, don't get me wrong. But one raid is not enough!

And round and round we go...

[SDaemon]

SE decided, after initially saying it was not a raid, to call it a raid. What their reasons were, frankly, is neither here nor there - nor does it really matter that they were wrong to call it a raid. What matters is that FF14 needs more raids, not one-group content misnamed raids. It needs more group content as well, don't get me wrong. But one raid is not enough!

They are not wrong on this matter, you happen to be. However, that is neither here nor there. Yes FFXIV does indeed need more raids, 2 raids is rather on the low side. Though to be fair Coils has both CoB and SCoB now and CT is gaining another part soon. You saying there is only 1 raid however is entirely wrong and your utter failure to realize this has led to the last 16 page lecture towards you on the matter.

[Exstal]

A better question is, why does FF need raids at all? They are either worthless or require people who aren't learning how to play. See - CT.

[Tiggy]

SE decided, after initially saying it was not a raid, to call it a raid.

Until you can find a source stop saying this. As no one else has apparently heard of it as far as anyone knows you're full of it. Anyone can make something up and say square said but damn I just can't seem to find that link. Saying it over and over won't suddenly make us believe it. Although after 18 pages it's obvious to me you'll never get that simple fact.

[Gamma621]

Alright, considering Wikipedia is a garbage source anyways, (Proven by somebody editing it today at will) let's look at some other sources.

http://mmoterms.com/mmorpg-terms-r

Raid

A more substantial engagement involving a large organized group of players typically set in a dungeon and involving difficult bosses.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raid

raid
Often used with mmorpgs. It involves players banding together to succeed at a common goal- such as taking over territory, killing an opposing faction, or most commonly killing big scary internet monsters that drop coveted items.

It can be used as a noun or verb, noun referring a specific event, and in verbage, the act of embarking on that event.
A: We've scheduled a Black Temple raid tonight. You coming?
B: I can't raid, I gotta get laid!
A: No epix or dkp for you!

http://www.mmoglossary.com/mmorpg_terms/1/index.html

- Raid .
A raid is a large-scale attack on an area by a group of players.

So I'm seeing group, not seeing groups. So how exactly does Raid get defined as multi-group content? Oh wait, it doesn't, because you're stating opinions as facts.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

They are not wrong on this matter, you happen to be. However, that is neither here nor there. Yes FFXIV does indeed need more raids, 2 raids is rather on the low side. Though to be fair Coils has both CoB and SCoB now and CT is gaining another part soon. You saying there is only 1 raid however is entirely wrong and your utter failure to realize this has led to the last 16 page lecture towards you on the matter.

I have stated why they are wrong in previous posts, and gotten little more than "but SE said so" ... If you believe that to be a lecture, then we disagree on more than one point.

Once 2.3 hits and we get a second part of CT, then FF14:ARR will have two raids. Until then, it has one raid and two pieces of single-group content miscategorized as raids.

"But SE said so" is not an answer; we all outgrew that before we moved out of our parents' home. Someone cited Wikipedia, and got blasted for it, with someone else going in and editing in a tidbit that, ironically enough, happens to be accurate for content that has been rendered easier due to character power growth from expansions/patches that came along after the initial raid content. Although technically, one-grouping an old raid is not raiding the content, it is one-grouping raid content.

Exstal, that complaint against CT is more a reflection upon CT's design than it is upon raids in general. If CT was as hard as Coil, and required just as much out of the 24 people in it as Coil does its 8, and had loot commensurate with that difficulty level, then it would not be worthless. Of course, actually being able to fill the 24 man raid, rather than just a third of it, with your FC/LD/friends, would help a lot too.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

So I'm seeing group, not seeing groups. So how exactly does Raid get defined as multi-group content? Oh wait, it doesn't, because you're stating opinions as facts.

A raid is a large-scale attack on an area by a group of players. Gee ... LARGE SCALE doesn't mean anything to you, does it?

If it was small scale, it would be one group. Large scale, however, means several groups, possibly many groups. All lumped by that definition into one group.

[Gamma621]

A raid is a large-scale attack on an area by a group of players. Gee ... LARGE SCALE doesn't mean anything to you, does it?

If it was small scale, it would be one group. Large scale, however, means several groups, possibly many groups. All lumped by that definition into one group.

Apparently plurals mean nothing to you either, because it says group, not groups. Saying that 8-player raids are not LARGE SCALE is subjective, and again, your opinion.

[SDaemon]

I have stated why they are wrong in previous posts, and gotten little more than "but SE said so"

"But SE said so" is not an answer; we all outgrew that before we moved out of our parents' home. Someone cited Wikipedia, and got blasted for it, with someone else going in and editing in a tidbit that, ironically enough, happens to be accurate for content that has been rendered easier due to character power growth from expansions/patches that came along after the initial raid content.

Except they cannot be wrong in this particular matter because it is ENTIRELY up to SE to determine what is and is not a raid in THEIR MMO. What you believe is a raid is completely IRRELEVANT. How have you not possibly come to understand this already? "But SE said so" completely and without fail determines the basis of what is and is not a raid in XIV. There is no outgrowing that.

[blowfin]

"Raid" is a term defined by WoW. In the case of FFXIV, SE have deemed it to be instanced PVE dungeon content with a body count of 8 or more.

Not sure why everyone is insisting on arguing over semantics that were defined by another game.