More Raid content please!

[Roth_Trailfinder]

You can't win against TOR tier fans OP, Coil is simply the game's highest difficulty dungeon, just let them think they've won whatever it is they've won. We'll get a proper second raid next week and big group PvP, we most likely will get CT3 before the expansion and maybe more proper multi party content after that.

Nothing I've said has invalidated or devalued their accomplishment in beating BCoC and/or SCoB. I've simply said that the game needs more raid, and accurately said what a raid is.

Y'know - I don't think I've seen anyone here (aside from the humorists) say what they think a raid is. They've said what they think SE thinks a raid is, but they've not said what they themselves think makes content a raid, or not a raid, without resorting to what SE classifies content as. Anyone care to state, without regard to developer, what they think makes raid content raid content, and what makes group content group content?

[Roth_Trailfinder]

You can form multiple groups - you just don't have any system to link them together other than linkshells (gee, a word that's got a meaning, but that meaning is not in the dictionary, how odd) and zone chatting.

Didn't they say though, that they plan on adding the ability to actually send 24 people into the same CT instance? They need to hurry up and get that going - as a starter towards adding more raid content.

[Roris]

Not really since it isn't multi group, it's just an 8 man dungeon. Keep thinking saying it classifies as a raid will make the game seem like it has more content, or saying it isn't a raid will make the content magically disappear and make everyone unsubscribe in an instant or whatever silly thing people's love for Final Fantasy has made them believe to the point they keep blindly defending it and arguing about it.

Nothing I've said has invalidated or devalued their accomplishment in beating BCoC and/or SCoB. I've simply said that the game needs more raid, and accurately said what a raid is.

Y'know - I don't think I've seen anyone here (aside from the humorists) say what they think a raid is. They've said what they think SE thinks a raid is, but they've not said what they themselves think makes content a raid, or not a raid, without resorting to what SE classifies content as. Anyone care to state, without regard to developer, what they think makes raid content raid content, and what makes group content group content?

I agree, dunno why they're so intent on twisting Coil into fitting into the definition of a raid like it means something special. Raids are simply multi group content, especially dungeon content mostly instanced nowadays, regardless of its difficulty or "prestige". Apparently having more raids means a game is better and will instantly attract another 2 million registered users or something? It's so silly. Coil is still Coil and it's hard and that's it, it's 8 man which means it's just the top endgame dungeon, still not a raid, still doesn't devaluate it by not calling it one, still classifying it as one doesn't make it more important or make it stand out more.

[SDaemon]

Not really since it isn't multi group, it's just an 8 man dungeon. Keep thinking saying it classifies as a raid will make the game seem like it has more content, or saying it isn't a raid will make the content magically disappear and make everyone unsubscribe in an instant or whatever silly thing people's love for Final Fantasy has made them believe to the point they keep blindly defending it and arguing about it.

And you and Roth keep on doing whatever it is you all do. None of it will matter because Coil IS a raid.

I agree, dunno why they're so intent on twisting Coil into fitting into the definition of a raid like it means something special. Raids are simply multi group content, especially dungeon content mostly instanced nowadays, regardless of its difficulty or "prestige". Apparently having more raids means a game is better and will instantly attract another 2 million registered users or something? It's so silly. Coil is still Coil and it's hard and that's it, it's 8 man which means it's just the top endgame dungeon, still not a raid, still doesn't devaluate it by not calling it one, still classifying it as one doesn't make it more important or make it stand out more.

Don't know why you two are so intent on twisting Coil into fitting into your "not-a-raid" definition like is means something special. Raids are simply what the game decides to classify as a raid, for example in XIV BCoB and SCoB. Apparently saying something isn't a raid in hopes of getting more raid content will magically make more raid content appear and attract 2 million registered users or something? It is so silly. Coil is a raid it doesn't devalue raids in other MMOs.

[Roris]

And you and Roth keep on doing whatever it is you all do. None of it will matter because Coil IS a raid.

Not really, no, but keep having fun trying to twist it into calling it a raid like the terms means it's better or something I guess.

[Gamma621]

It's amazing how this was posted on the first page, but conveniently omitted the part that contradicted with their argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming)

A raid is a type of mission in a video game in which either a very large number of people (larger than the normal team size set by the game), or a small number of people with exceptional skill, attempt to defeat a boss monster of a higher magnitude of difficulty than other monsters found within the game world. This type of objective is most common in MMORPGs, where the servers are designed to handle the number of users. In RTS games like StarCraft, the term is used differently; see Raid (military).

A raid can be either multi-group content, OR extremely difficult normal group content. So please shut up now about how it only has one meaning.

[Roris]

It's amazing how this was posted on the first page, but conveniently omitted the part that contradicted with their argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming)

A raid can be either multi-group content, OR extremely difficult normal group content. So please shut up now about how it only has one meaning.

Nice edit from today after an entire year of no edits whoever Nexicus is, surely that addition will finally make you win this thread and get praised by everyone.

What about multi-party content makes it and only it a raid? Despite what any MMO chooses to do or classify whatever content they wish as a raid, why will you two only accept multi-party content? However, regardless if that narrow and limited definition is all you will accept, the simple unalterable truth is that Coil is classified as a raid in this game and therefore it is a raid.

Because that's what most MMOs classify raids as, multi party content, this is a blatant WoW clone after all. Coil is classified as a raid under the DF most likely for convenience more than anything, apparently that makes people think it is one or that classifying anything as a raid makes that content larger or more important than it is, so keep believing.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

And you and Roth keep on doing whatever it is you all do. None of it will matter because Coil IS a raid.

And what, other than SE's designation, makes it a raid, exactly?

[Roris]

And what, other than SE's designation, makes it a raid, exactly?

Nothing else really, just what's classified under the Duty Finder, that's pretty much it and apparently that means a lot? Still doesn't make it multi party content but hopefully we'll get more in the future.

[SDaemon]

Nothing else really, just what's classified under the Duty Finder, that's pretty much it and apparently that means a lot? Still doesn't make it multi party content but hopefully we'll get more in the future.

What about multi-party content makes it and only it a raid? Despite what any MMO chooses to do or classify whatever content they wish as a raid, why will you two only accept multi-party content? However, regardless if that narrow and limited definition is all you will accept, the simple unalterable truth is that Coil is classified as a raid in this game and therefore it is a raid.