More Raid content please!

[Gamma621]

Me : SE is wrong for calling single-group content "raid".
Others : SE said its raid, so its raid!
Me : I know they said so, they were in error to do so.
Others : doesn't matter what you say, they said its raid, so its raid!

Neither I nor SE get to define what "raid" means. While the majority of people here were quick to point out half of that statement, they were unwilling to admit the other half. I was never using "my" definition, I use the word appropriately. SE is not. With a proper understanding of what "raid" means, I posted that we need more of it, since CT is the only content that currently fits the definition of a raid.

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

[Xatsh]

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

[Archulak]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only game that considers a raid = full party.

Why does the game that originally designated something called a raid get to have the undisputed definition of it......... see how that works.

[Gamma621]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means first person shooter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

That sentence makes as much sense as what you are saying.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means first person shooter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

That sentence makes as much sense as what you are saying.

We didn't change what "raid" means. SE, and people defending SE's choice to call BCoB and SCoB "raids,did.

[Kuwagami]

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means Mandatory Manderville Otter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

fixed that for you

We didn't change what "raid" means. SE's choice to call BCoB and SCoB "raids" did.

fixed that too. Also, it's not because the general consensus is "raid = 2 or more groups" that you're doomed to use that definition each time. SE called it "raid", it's a raid. Deal with it

[Ransu]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

Its their game, they can use whatever term they want.

This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

No it isn't.....There are a ton of MMO's with 8 man raids. In fact smaller raid groups are becoming extremely common. Why? Because most people actually dislike large raid groups.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

SE gets to decide, because it's their game.

It is their game.

Raid is not their word. Binding Coil of Bahamut, that is their word. They have just as much a right to define raid as you or I do, which is to say, none at all. And the words "large scale" in the definition mean that it is too large for a single group, thus multiple groups. It is not twisting a definition to reflect the meaning; it is twisting the definition when you try to make it mean something it never has.

And raid never has meant single-group content. Raid has never meant soloable content. It means multiple groups, initially many groups, but developers have taken to paring the number down. WoW has 2 group raids. What 1 group raids does it have? Even a guy who's never played it knows the answer to that : none, because that is group content, not raid content. EQ had, when it first implemented their raid system, 12 groups. Their instances support up to 9 groups. How many one-group raids does it have? Again, none, because that is group content, not raid content.

I am not the one doing the twisting around, when I hold them to what the word means.

But, y'all seem as likely to accept that as I am to accept any other obvious falsehood. SE calls it what they call it. I say they are wrong, that's not what raid means. You say that raid means whatever they say it means. Do "hit points" get to change their definition because SE says so? How about "magic points" or "armor class"? Or how about "sword" - are they allowed to take a suit of platemail and decide that it is an edged weapon?

Maximum number of people in the groups that comprise the raid are irrelevant. In FF14, it is 8 people. Other games have other numbers. Their raids are multi-group, as opposed to single group content. SE is the one ignoring the definition. Heck - did FF11 have any "one group raids" or were all that game's raids multi-group?

[Roris]

So the typical it's only right when I do it and wrong when others do mentality, gotcha!

[Archulak]

So the typical it's only right when I do it and wrong when others do mentality, gotcha!

There is a distinct difference. You dismiss all other definitions and say they're wrong, calling SCoB t1-4 't6-9' and saying that they are synonyms meaning that both are equally correct, is not the same thing.