This game needs depth, Please implement a second weapon (playstyle) for each job

[Volsung]

Shoot me if you like, but I would like something "similar" to merits
from FFXI. They wouldnt have to be earned the exact same way
or anything. But it would let you enhance different things about
your job or class. And you would have to make choices.

Some players might want to increase Elusive Jump effect, others may want to
reduce jump recast, others may want to increase power surge effect, and
some may want to earn a new ability altogether. So long as you couldn't do
all of them at the same time. It would force players to choose what
bonus effects they'd like.

this would let people at least feel a little snowflaky without completely changing
everything.

[TheRogueX]

Gladiator flavor text implies that some gladiators forgo a shield in order to 'strengthen their sword arm.' Yet, there's absolutely no reason to do such a thing, unless they intended to add another GLD-based job at some point that didn't use a shield. Perhaps a 2H sword option? Maybe dual-swords?

SE also needs to stop being lazy; the Rogue/Ninja 'dual weapons as single weapon in main-hand slot' thing is absolutely stupid and needs to be redesigned. Even if that means not keeping their promise for a 2.4 release of the class/job.

[Vahlnir]

SE also needs to stop being lazy; the Rogue/Ninja 'dual weapons as single weapon in main-hand slot' thing is absolutely stupid and needs to be redesigned. Even if that means not keeping their promise for a 2.4 release of the class/job.

Honestly, they aren't being lazy. As to how classes/jobs are now, some people are expecting way too much before the first expansion. As far as Rogue/Ninja and dual wields are concerned, I think that it's actually a good approach to it. It sucks having to obtain 2 of the same weapon, some you may not see for months depending on the content. I wish WoW had done this years ago, and not just for Rogues. I know that some classes have to do this to some degree already, but even so I think it was a good idea for SE to do this for Rogue and Ninja.

[Dark-Saviour]

Storywise it doesn't need to be changed

Storywise, retconning away classes would only help really, as what they are has become fairly twisted away from what the lore indicates they should be, IMO. Granted there are questionable choices job-wise as well (Bards as primary bowmen, Scholars not really doing much 'scholar'-like at all), but meh... One step at a time...

Try and find a reason it would actually be hard/time consuming to cut the class system instead of the massive ammounts of time they are wasting trying to balance a "Class" and then add a job on the end of it. They must have wasted countless man hours making "Rogue" it's own thing then just tack on Ninja mutras.

At this point it has to be a pride thing, a system they refuse to let die because it would show weakness or some nonsense.

The current system lets them reuse a large portion of the underlying skills and a given weapon for multiple jobs if they so choose. This obviously could have been worked around though, and I'll agree that it seems more like they kept it around simply because its what they already had. Though I don't know if its more a matter of 'pride' or more that they felt legacy players would enjoy it and would cry foul if the classes went away.

[Oblitae]

Gladiator flavor text implies that some gladiators forgo a shield in order to 'strengthen their sword arm.' Yet, there's absolutely no reason to do such a thing, unless they intended to add another GLD-based job at some point that didn't use a shield. Perhaps a 2H sword option? Maybe dual-swords?

SE also needs to stop being lazy; the Rogue/Ninja 'dual weapons as single weapon in main-hand slot' thing is absolutely stupid and needs to be redesigned. Even if that means not keeping their promise for a 2.4 release of the class/job.

It's not lazy. I don't think you comprehend the amount of time it'd take to properly implement something like that.

God damn. It's not about adding MORE jobs and classes, it's building depth onto the already existing ones.

[TheRogueX]

It sucks having to obtain 2 of the same weapon, some you may not see for months depending on the content.

If this game had craftable gear that was at least somewhat on par with what you could get as dungeon drops (but not BiS, obviously), then this wouldn't be a problem.

It's not lazy. I don't think you comprehend the amount of time it'd take to properly implement something like that.

God damn. It's not about adding MORE jobs and classes, it's building depth onto the already existing ones.

Indeed. It would take so much time that no one has ever implemented systems anything like that in any game ever. And, I mean, Square doesn't have any experience working in MMOs that have classes that use multiple weapons, or anything.

[Starlord]

XI did this right. Jobs could use a range of different weapons, weaponskill was independent of your own level, you chose what to master and how fast.

Not really, Yes there was a variety of weapons a job could use. However, Each Job had an "ideal" weapon that you could take it a lot further (skill points) than other weapons. Like Samurai used Great Katana's (A+ rating) at level 99 it caps at 424 points and could use Polearms ( B- rating) capped at 388 points.

Overall, you are more than likely to use the best weapon for your Job, in this case it's Great Katana. Only certain situations liking killing birds would Polearms would be useful.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Samurai

[Marxam]

It can be easily fulfilled by adding a secondary weapon with a focus on a different play style. Ex. Marauders can have access to hammers which provide higher base damage but at a much lower auto attack and delay. Paladins already have this in place with the 3 different types of shields (small, meduim, tower). There doesn't have to be an outright skill set change but rather give the player the option to choose which will be better in which scenario.

[Seif]

More depth would be appreciated but to me horisontal progression of any kind would be sorely needed in this game.

I would like to have other ways to improve my character than just slamming my head against coil. Everything else seems worth doing only if you desperately need items for vanity.

[Starplayer]

It can be easily fulfilled by adding a secondary weapon with a focus on a different play style. Ex. Marauders can have access to hammers which provide higher base damage but at a much lower auto attack and delay. Paladins already have this in place with the 3 different types of shields (small, meduim, tower). There doesn't have to be an outright skill set change but rather give the player the option to choose which will be better in which scenario.

This. Except that I would argue that the second weapon should come with an entirely new set of abilities focused on the new playstyle. eg: Paladin has tanking abilities with a sword and board, and DPS abilities with a greatsword/Hammer (whatever the new weapon is), possibly holy magic/healing with a staff