Red Mage: The one class that will be impossible to impliment

[Tharian]

Is it a bad thing that I want to derail this thread to discuss a Calculator job for FFXIV? :x

"OMG L2Dodge Landslides!"

"I can't dodge and multiply triple digits at the same time! Has to be one or the other! And I choose MATH!"

While that would indeed be epic, I think the fail of that would also be epic.

Anyways, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance DID have a Red Mage Class. So while I was wrong about the first Final Fantasy Tactics, I wasn't wrong about Final Fantasy Tactics as a whole...

And thank you by the way, for not saying "MATHS!" I can't stand people who spell it like that...

[Morningstar1337]

Is it a bad thing that I want to derail this thread to discuss a Calculator job for FFXIV? :x

"OMG L2Dodge Landslides!"

"I can't dodge and multiply triple digits at the same time! Has to be one or the other! And I choose MATH!"

Not really I could use a distraction from the shame and controversy (and some knowledge of the class so that I don't make similar mistakes). Derail away

[Tharian]

No, being able to use swords, slightly heavier armor than most mages, and magic, that is Red Mages focus. I have not played Bravely Default, my sole experience with the concept of a Spellfencer class that is not synonymous with the Red Mage class (as it was in Final Fantasy I) is from Final Fantasy XI, where-in the Spellfencer is actually called the Rune Fencer, and is in fact a Tank Class.

EDIT: Apparently FFXI's Rune Fencer also has access to Phalanx, which makes it by default the single most broken Tank Class that was originally designed to be a Tank Class in that game since it also gets Stoneskin and Blink... Unlike that game's Red Mage which was first a Mage Class that the players of the game co-opted into being a Solo-Tank.

[Kat_Manx]

How to implement Red Mage:

Give RDM 3 "modes" that let's it swap role to DPS, Tank or Healer. This role must be chosen before queuing for dungeons etc. just like all other jobs have to and also make them unable to change role in battle and in a dungeon.

The other abilities would always stay the same, but would do different things based on what role you are in. For example more damage in DPS role, enmity gain in Tank role and an AoE heal in Healer mode.

Finally, you could let it cross-class every skill currently cross-classable. Of course with the same limit to them as other jobs currently have.. 5 of them at once, or something, is it?

[Tharian]

How to implement Red Mage:

Give RDM 3 "modes" that let's it swap role to DPS, Tank or Healer. This role must be chosen before queuing for dungeons etc. just like all other jobs have to and also make them unable to change role in battle and in a dungeon.

The other abilities would always stay the same, but would do different things based on what role you are in. For example more damage in DPS role, enmity gain in Tank role and an AoE heal in Healer mode.

Finally, you could let it cross-class every skill currently cross-classable. Of course with the same limit to them as other jobs currently have.. 5 of them at once, or something, is it?

This is the worst idea for a Red Mage Class I have ever seen...

[Kat_Manx]

This is the worst idea for a Red Mage Class I have ever seen...

Well that's disappointing to hear. I know it's not like what people are used to, but since it's nearly impossible to make it a jack-of-all-tradesy / supporty job in this game without making it kind of bad at all aspects in the end, I thought it would be a compromise.

[Urielparadox]

rdm isn't supposed to be a jack of all trade. it's suppose to be a sword or battle mage. It uses magic to enhance it's physical power, and it;s magic powers are ok.. this was originally wonderful in 11 but the 20hrs to kill a mob allowed rdm to solo anything. Once the 20min caps where put on mobs a rdm could never hope to be what it was and SE still hasn't fixed rdm to adjust for that. However thats 11 and not 14.

[Alise]

Red mage is impossible to be implemented because :

-If they make it a fencer with spell, people will whine.
-If they make it a FFXI supporter way, people will whine.

This is NO WIN situation.

*insert transformer 4 no win situation clip*

[Kat_Manx]

Why would anyone whine about a fencer with spells? Sounds AWESOME to me! xD

[Urielparadox]

Why would anyone whine about a fencer with spells? Sounds AWESOME to me! xD

Because the definition of a RDM in FF11 was "Power's it self and sword up to a godly level using both light and dark magic to aid in it's efforts"(it's something like this any ff pre 2012 will tell you this). However you would see people get in arguments when a rdm would try to do anything other then heal, or cast debuffs. The arguments would be btwn rdm's and the community. However I'm refearing to ff11 had huge rdm arguments which is probaly why it's where it is now. SE is to afraid to touch it because if they make it what it's supposed to be. group C yells, If they make it a supporter(it's no longer a rdm) and Group A and B yell this isn't powering it self up it's power others. if they make it a healer it's too godly of a healer and group A yell at that.