Red Mage: The one class that will be impossible to impliment

[Morningstar1337]

Okay so a lot of people were estacic about Ninja, and There are some Jobs I wnana see in game as well (Like Spellfencer and Blue mage) But I wnat to talk about a particular Job because I don't think it is actually possible to Implement it:

I'm talking about the Red mage.

First what is a Red mage: The Red Mage is a mage with access to both White and Black magic, however it usually come at the price of not getting the best spells form either, usually the final upgrades to elemental and cure spells.

Reason 1 why Red Mage won't be Implemented: Ability exclusivity.

For all the disciplines of War and Magic, all of the abilities are unique. You must level a white mage for Holy. You need to level Summoner for Enkindle, and if you wanted Raging Strikes, Archer has to be grinded. Because of this Red Mages as a class can't exist because they are sharing spells. In fact the cross-classing abilities make it redundant because...

Reason 2 why Red Mage won't be Implemented: Because it already has.

Because of Cross-class abilities certain classes can play like a black mage these Classes are the Disciplines of Magic.

First off: The Arcanist class seems to be the closest to the Red Mage, due to having attack spells and healing spells without grinding other jobs. The Twist however is that they can choose between two more specialized classes; the white scholar and the black summoner. Also note that the Arcanist needs level 15 in the related class to unlock either.

Equally close is the Thamaturge, followed by the Black mage: First off as a class, the Thamaturge guts access to a wade array of conjurer abilities, among which is Aero and Cure, making them are more genral Red Mage until you reach the 40s and unlocked Fire III, but by then you probably unlocked the Black mage Job, which locks you out of the Conjurer's skills, bur Black Mage can still pull off a little bit of red because they have access to Psysick a variant of cure that may be weaker than the normal cure, but not much else.

I say that Thamaturge is equally close to Red Mage becuase the best magic abilities are locked to the jobs. A Thamaturge does not get spells like Flare or freeze meaning that the AoE rotaion will suck, meanwhile they also cannot get the White mages ability such as Regen since Job abilities are exclusive to the Job itself and the White Mage job is an evolution of the Conjurer class.

Ironically the Conjurer is the least able to use Black and White magic because their only crossclass abilities from Thamaturge are Swiftcast and Surecast. Both are more geared to helping with their healing rather than mixing magic. White Mage also gets Blizzard II but only that as a Black attack spell.

The only way SE would even add a Red mage would be to make renamed (and likely nerfed) versions of the existing spells, and likely only as a class (since if it was a job, a specialized class by default it would cause some problems and few people would play it)

Well it appears Duelle and Ramsey have put up a plausible idea on how to implement Red Mage, so I take back that red mage cannot be implemented

[Darki]

If SE can turn Bard into a damage dealer, i'm sure they will find a way to implement Red Mage.

[Kewitt]

They can do anything they want. It's there Sandbox! You just need to think out of the box more! New Class, New job, New rules.

[Urielparadox]

REd mage has a large amount of way's it can be implemented. Easist way is as a tank(and in 11 it coulde be an amazing tank on the right content). Using umbral ice for defence buff/phase and stral fire fora dps/burst phase switching between the 2 to maximize dps, and tank abilities. Same way as a dps. It would use it sword and astral fire/fire, Enfire being it's main spell, and thunder based magic for damage burst phases. Stacking enfire increasing striking damage lots of stuff, similar to greased lightning. when it goes in to umbral ice it has low healing magic or support spells that increase party Skill/spell speed, and gives a small regen, and other things. Basically it would be like mantra but with regen instead. In fact ff14 probably supports a more balanced form of a rdm then we have ever seen.

[Volsung]

They can definitely implement red mage, the problem will be making a majority of
the players find how they added it, "correct" lol because so many people like
different aspects of red mage. Some like that it does everything, some like that
it can melee and magic, some like more support type stuff from it.

I hope whatever path they choose, they think wisely about what will make the
most people happy.

For me personally, if they wanted to make a Fencer class that split into DD
mystic knight, and front line healer red mage, I would love that, but I know
that some people would not.

[Duelle]

@OP: Been a while since I've said it, but: My sig. Read it.

[Morningstar1337]

@OP: Been a while since I've said it, but: My sig. Read it.

Those seem like they are a mix and Spellfencer and Red Mage. I approve

[Duelle]

Those seem like they are a mix and Spellfencer and Red Mage. I approve

I'm glad you do, but my point is that RDM is very possible. Enspells are pretty much the smartest thing SE ever added to the job that made sense for what it is (sword & magic hybrid). Since this is a trinity-based MMO you can't have a generalist because said generalist will basically be forced into cure-bitch/buff-whore roles or simply not be used in the content that matters. All you can do is build off the melee+magic thing.

Swords had a suggestion, as did Ramsey, as did Martha as did I; I'm just praying SE bothered to read one of those suggestions and took what they liked from it.

[Nero]

I'm glad you do, but my point is that RDM is very possible. Enspells are pretty much the smartest thing SE ever added to the job that made sense for what it is (sword & magic hybrid). Since this is a trinity-based MMO you can't have a generalist because said generalist will basically be forced into cure-bitch/buff-whore roles or simply not be used in the content that matters. All you can do is build off the melee+magic thing.

Swords had a suggestion, as did Ramsey, as did Martha as did I; I'm just praying SE bothered to read one of those suggestions and took what they liked from it.

Let's not forget that Yoshi did mention RDM as a Job he would like to implement and also things like En-Spells are allready in the Game. RDM is possible in FFXIV with a couple tweaks i think it could turn into a really nice Job to play with.

They also had access to the Spikes line of spells - which we don't currently have in XIV. Things like Blaze Spikes, Frost Spikes, Shock Spikes, etc.. Which veiled them in an elemental magic and caused enemies to be countered when hit.

Not available to Classes/Jobs, but still in the Game tho.

[rex1976]

i've also given this alot of thought. rdm is a support class, and there's no room or it in a 4 man dungeon. a pure support job would either be way overpowered in an 8 man or way underpowered in a 4man. i guess they could give it a debuff while supporting like they did to bard but i don't like it.