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    Player
    mayonnegg's Avatar
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    Mayonn Egg
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    Moogle
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60

    What is the absolute best opener for summoner?

    For solo target, like a coil fight basically. Taking into account having to run up to use miasma 2, precasting something while the tank runs in, avoiding all gcd down time. If relevant, I'll be using raging strikes and an x-potion. I don't know the order to do all the things like rouse, spur, contagion, enkindle, fester/energry drains. Advice pls.
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    Marcusow86's Avatar
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    There are really no rotation for SMN, only skill priority and what should be done when a counter reaches that digit.

    1. Time RS with contagion so that you get the boosted version of Dots longer.
    2. Time Fester with RS, maximum of two Fester can be used per RS duration.
    3. Use miasma II only when contagion is available.
    4. Ensure fester/ energy drain used 5-10 sec before Aetherflow is ready. Keep at least 1 stack of Aetherflow until Aetherflow is ready to be casted again at all time during engagement, you might not know when you will need that burst from Fester or Bane.
    5. Ensure Shadow flare is always casted. Use Swiftcast for this whenever possible.
    6. Re-cast Dots when they are left with 4 sec duration.
    7. Time Rouse + Spur for enkindle and after first use, use rouse and spur whenever available.
    8. Use Ruin as filler, Ruin II sparingly when you are moving as it drains your mana very quick.
    9. Whenever possible/comfortable to go melee (Alot of coil boss allows/requires you to be at melee range), use auto attack on the boss, it contributes a slight boost in DPS.
    10. Fester > Energy Drain. Always consider Fester before Energy Drain.
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    Altimis's Avatar
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    Altimis Farron
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    Aegis
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Miasma II for me is not worth UNLESS you fight 3 mobs +

    MP consumption make its worthless if only 1-2 mobs there EVEN CONTAGION ON

    and its not DPS increase at all, believe it or not
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    Altimis Farron
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    Aegis
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Best opener will be Spur + Rouse + Enkindle as alway

    Do it everytime when you want to open hard hitter

    then follow by standard of RS + 3 DOTs + SC + SF + FESTER and so on

    If Enkindle CD, just Spur + Rouse before you start fight, put on Shadow Flare before fight if you can
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    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Phoenix
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Also, you can use ruin, ruin II fester as first hit, might just be a ps4 thing but makes use of the time .
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    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Phoenix
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    On a pull, RS Xpot DOTs, miasma2 while running in and ruin 2 when possible until you stop, weave in festers when available,
    All pet CDs Enkindle,
    contagion when its up, dont necessarily wait for RS or Pot cd unless its only going to be a few secs.

    Aim to keep aetherflows rotating, and pet CDs on CD.
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    Joanna Selenia
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Xpot -> RS -> Bio2 (during tank run in) -> Miasma -> Bio -> Contagion (spam this just before bio) -> Fester (while running in) -> Miasma 2 (while right clicking boss for auto attack) - > SC (ogcd) -> SF -> Rouse (ogcd) -> Ruin 2 -> Spur (ogcd) -> Ruin 2 -> Fester (Rs should have have 1 sec left)
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    Seaku Typhoeus
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    Omega
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
    Xpot -> RS -> Bio2 (during tank run in) -> Miasma -> Bio -> Contagion (spam this just before bio) -> Fester (while running in) -> Miasma 2 (while right clicking boss for auto attack) - > SC (ogcd) -> SF -> Rouse (ogcd) -> Ruin 2 -> Spur (ogcd) -> Ruin 2 -> Fester (Rs should have have 1 sec left)
    This seems fine for the most part except for the Misama II AFTER contagion. What's the point? Miasma 2 does 75 potency when not contagioned so is less than a ruin or ruin 2. It only does more damage than ruin with contagion adding on 50 more potency to make it 125 potency. You might as well replace miasma 2 with ruin 2 in your rotation, or change the contagion to after miasma 2 not before it.

    Edit:

    Quote Originally Posted by Altimis View Post
    Miasma II for me is not worth UNLESS you fight 3 mobs +

    MP consumption make its worthless if only 1-2 mobs there EVEN CONTAGION ON

    and its not DPS increase at all, believe it or not
    Yes because with contagion 125 potency is less than 80 potency of ruin, so yea it's totally not a dps increase. /sarcasm

    Whether it's worth the mana for a small dps increase every minute is up to you really but it does increase your dps ever so slightly every time you contagion it. Over the course of a 10 minute fight it puts you 450 potency ahead of someone using ruin in its place.
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    Last edited by Seaku; 06-30-2014 at 10:23 PM.

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    Player
    skaterger's Avatar
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    Joanna Selenia
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaku View Post
    This seems fine for the most part except for the Misama II AFTER contagion. What's the point? Miasma 2 does 75 potency when not contagioned so is less than a ruin or ruin 2. It only does more damage than ruin with contagion adding on 50 more potency to make it 125 potency. You might as well replace miasma 2 with ruin 2 in your rotation, or change the contagion to after miasma 2 not before it.
    Ah thank you for pointing it out! I guess you could slot in M2 after contagion then. xpot with RS with contagion M2 should do more than a R2 I think?
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Here is the ultimate suggestion, tested thoroughly and laced with sarcasm.

    Just dot and ruin and shit.
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