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  1. #11
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    Altimis Farron
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    I think its dumb to have one of these useless item ever as well

    SE logic sometime unable to comprehending

    Pheonix Down suppose to use raise the dead as intented but its not work as intented lol
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  2. #12
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    I can use PD in previous FF games even in Bravely Default but not in FFXIV, wut?
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  3. #13
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    Blake Ater
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    Because SMNs will cry that they're no longer the special DPS utility snowflake for swiftcast raises.

    Also SE doesn't want to give RMT another hand (despite having MATERIA of all things suddenly useful for your relic) probably. On top of making "must have phoenix downs or kick" parties of possible mechanic abuse of reraising a party to get through SOME KIND OF LAME MECHANIC of some sort if any.

    Blahblahblah too afraid to deal with the potency of having everyone raise... and RMT.

    In short... it's a useless overworld item.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Kind of useful in dungeons but mostly not because of the negatives of raise.
    If your near the start/checkpoint. People will just ask you to restart and come back instead of a raise... since having no weakness makes you less of a liability.
    Or so a PLD tells me when I asked for a raise...

    Though... might be useful for Odin/Behemoth if you haven't touched him yet and find your fcmate/lsmate on the ground, now that you make me think of it.
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    Last edited by Nayto; 06-29-2014 at 07:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
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    Kind of useful in dungeons but mostly not because of the negatives of raise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
    If your near the start/checkpoint. People will just ask you to restart and come back instead of a raise... since having no weakness makes you less of a liability.
    Or so a PLD tells me when I asked for a raise...

    Though... might be useful for Odin/Behemoth if you haven't touched him yet and find your fcmate/lsmate on the ground, now that you make me think of it.
    Only time I ever used my PD's was when the healer would die to the pull before Demon Wall and the tanks didn't have raise back when Demon Wall posed an issue.
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    Last edited by Gormogon; 06-29-2014 at 08:06 AM.

  5. #15
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    Lyrre Myste
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    i had an expectorant i got from a retainer once.

    someone went AFK in my static during turn 5. he was close enough to be one-shot by the lock-out wall.


    i think you know where this is going...
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  6. #16
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    Bobbin Threadbare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuinn View Post
    Oh... o_O I forgot those were in game >.>

    I can see why they're not letting us use those in battle, though.... Imagine how easy the already easy 95% of the content would be if anyone could raise. Most end-game fights are short and in dungeons if you wipe it's no biggie. You revive with no weakness, use the shortcut and attempt the short boss fight again.
    err...

    We are able to do that in 1.0, like I said before. And... it's not as easy as you think. If you ever fought Nael 1.0, you would know.

    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    i had an expectorant i got from a retainer once.

    someone went AFK in my static during turn 5. he was close enough to be one-shot by the lock-out wall.


    i think you know where this is going...
    lol that situation might be one of them. Still...

    Why do you want to start engaging if one of you is AFKing? :?
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  7. #17
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    Zanon Reeves
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    Re-raise will probably never exist in this game, because people would run through dungeons without fighting a single mob and keep Re-raising up.

    SE does not want this to happen.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbinT View Post
    Why the heck making these items available, if you can't even use it in battles?

    So... why?
    Sometimes items are just for flavor; fireworks, swimsuits, phoenix downs. I think the only reason the Phoenix Downs stick out so much as odd is because they're classically more important items, but I don't think there's anything wrong having them fulfill minor utility.

    Particularly when MMOs usually turn all the old rules on their heads.
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    A true paladin... will sheathe his sword.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    Sometimes items are just for flavor; fireworks, swimsuits, phoenix downs. I think the only reason the Phoenix Downs stick out so much as odd is because they're classically more important items, but I don't think there's anything wrong having them fulfill minor utility.

    Particularly when MMOs usually turn all the old rules on their heads.
    Here's me quoting my 1st post:

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbinT View Post
    And most of all: why you let it be used in battle while in 1.0, and not with ARR?

    I remember these items became lifesaver especially back when doing Rivenroad content.
    Kinda weird on what you said on that last sentence though. Making useful item in old version becomes useless in new one?
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    Last edited by BobbinT; 06-29-2014 at 04:11 PM.

  10. #20
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    How about making them an auto reraise while you are not in group. So you could use it as a backup while soloing maps with your chocobo.
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