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[Divine_Intervention]

Hey Dspguy. Yeah, i can't understand the RNG will even out eventually, can't stay unlucky all the time huh? :P

But yeah, as i say i don't in any way diminish the work people are putting in for these, and i do complain about it but i'll still get on with it xD. Personally I want to be working on animus AND doing the higher level content anyway. I'm just a bit miffed with severe bad luck with the roll of the dice lol!

[Divine_Intervention]

lmao bombast. once again, re-read my post. i DON'T MIND WORK in a game. this is not work. this SECTION of the game is chance. ALL chance. You've worked for your weapon some say, i disagree, you just got lucky with fate drops. 1 hour or 50 hours, it's all luck. I have NO issue with putting work into getting gear. I have issue with a lazy game system that is PURE CHANCE.

So, let's repeat again, just in case you didn't get it. "It is NOT working for a weapon that's an issue, it's the system it is based on". Try to keep up.

[JonBigwood]

It is NOT working for a weapon that's an issue, it's the system it is based on

I think most of us agree, doing FATEs and getting nothing is discouraging.

I decided to take it easy, cap the soldiery tomes weekly, level alt classes, do FATEs while I queue, and try to not obsess with FATEs. It takes longer, yes, but you do other things in the meantime. I did like that, and maybe 1 week with no atmas, 2 atmas in 1 day, another week and no atmas, etc. You may well have bad luck all the time for a long time. 3 atmas in one week is quite good, unless you spend a lot of hours a day. At this pace you'll have the atma weapon in 4 weeks. BUT...it may be much better or worse.

The books are better in a way, since you know what work you have to do and how much it will take. BUT you get really bored of farming myth tomes. I don't know how much time it took me, but a bit under a week for each book x 9 books, between 7 and 8 weeks. Not doing anything else but farming myth tomes and fulfilling the books. While I farmed atmas I did other things since I couldn't stand farming more atmas, lol. But you farm myths and complete the books because you know you will advance. What is better?

When you reach the Animus (just arrived) then you have to farm another 1.500 myth tomes for the scroll!!!

At least now, if you just do your expert roulette daily you get 1 map and hopefully 1 alexandrite daily if you don't die doing the map, 75 days. You want things quick? Then you can farm myth and buy mysterious maps (I can't hear speaking about that right now, lol) or farm FATEs to see if an Alexandrite drops, (humm, not my favourite plate ;-). I think I may have time to do other things if I just do the Expert Roulette daily and the map and forget about farming myth tomes or FATEs. It takes time? Let's be it.

Someone who is in a hurry can pay a lot of myth tomes for a mysterious map (800 I think) or farm fates like for the atma and see if an alexandrite drops (I tried, no drops in this first day.) I think people who are in a hurry are made to pay it dearly. I don't think it is worth it for me.

Edit: As you see, I opted for not repeating Brayflox HM speed runs ad nauseam. I have tried SR and sometimes they have worked, even duty roulettes Speed Runs work fine with the right group, but finding a group that works well with the Party Finder is not that easy. I don't find it's to my liking to practice with a group till it works, changing members, etc., then next day start looking for a new group and start practicing again.

Making a static group may be wonderful, although farming with a lot of repetition. But if you do roulettes you also repeat content, at least the Main Story Roulette has only 2 varieties. Making it last as less as possible is also a good sensation. Anyway 1.500 tomes are 30 Speed Runs. Also several days of roulettes...

Maybe farming 800 tomes for a mysterious map doing Brayflox HM 2 bosses in a super SR is not as horrible as it seems to me, I don't know. This would be 16 Brayflox HM 2 bosses for 1 mysterious map, and you can co-operate with the maps in 2 groups of 2 players. With a static it doesn't look that bad. Especially compared with "n" FATEs for the alexandrite.

Even then, there is a lot of new content coming in next patch so we can as well obtain the upgrades as we also do the new content.

[Divine_Intervention]

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Yep, your entire post was precisely my point. I started off by using the system you do/did, just doing it now and then as i was near one, that yielded a little. Eventually though, i'm pretty much full 90/100 gear, trying to down extremes and t5, which is difficult to find a group for, so this is how i pass my time xD

[Adler]

The way Atma work for me:
- join region you need an Atma from and do Fates for 20 min
- if there is no Atma then switch to another job and try another 20 min
- if there is still no Atma go do some dungeons

Got all Atma in couple of weeks doing fates about 30-40 min a day. Noticed that Atma drops for me when I actually do my job well (like having hate of all mobs whole duration of fate as tank or killing mobs super fast as dps). Also noticed from my friends and fc members that they got Atma much faster using jobs they are best at - so if you have multiple jobs with Zenith weapon, try to switch to other.

If you have just 1 job and people in dungeons still often try to give you advice on how to get better (or simply say that you suck) then your Atma grind might tike "a while longer".

[PetiteMalFleur]

If you have just 1 job and people in dungeons still often try to give you advice on how to get better (or simply say that you suck) then your Atma grind might tike "a while longer".

Skill has nothing to do with drop rate.

[Jican]

The way Atma work for me:
- join region you need an Atma from and do Fates for 20 min
- if there is no Atma then switch to another job and try another 20 min
- if there is still no Atma go do some dungeons

Got all Atma in couple of weeks doing fates about 30-40 min a day. Noticed that Atma drops for me when I actually do my job well (like having hate of all mobs whole duration of fate as tank or killing mobs super fast as dps). Also noticed from my friends and fc members that they got Atma much faster using jobs they are best at - so if you have multiple jobs with Zenith weapon, try to switch to other.

If you have just 1 job and people in dungeons still often try to give you advice on how to get better (or simply say that you suck) then your Atma grind might tike "a while longer".

Actually, there is no magic to getting any Atma, it's pure rng. What you do may make you feel better, in which case you trick yourself into thinking it makes a difference, but it doesn't. The director already stated himself it's all luck, nothing else.

Also for those that are obsessed with the "time" aspect of fate grinding, think of this for a second. Let's say you and a friend are both doing atma for 1 hour a day. You BOTH do the same amount of time, but your friend does 10 fates in that hour while you only do 5. Your friend gets his atma faster than you, not because he's "better" at his job, or faced north for fire HQ, or had carby dancing while you scratched your butt, but because he inherently did more in the same amount of time. So instead of thinking of how much time you put into fates, count the fates they took you to get the atma. You'll then realize that you either do a lot less fate grinding than you thought in the amount of time you had, or RNG god hates your guts.

I'm in no means saying the atma system doesn't absolutely suck, and even as an avid grinder, i personally hate the atma portion of the relic and thinks it should be scratched completely, or at least give you more than a different colored relic after taking away your glowing awesomeness that was zenith. There are a hundred ways to make atma more worthwhile, but I also see the reason SE doesn't touch it yet.

For those that still need atma, don't give up. The road is long, annoying, and not in your favor at all, but if you can stomach the crap, it'll be worth it in the long run. Nothing is greater than the sense of accomplishment after you get all 12 and move on to your books. Best of luck to you all.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

The way Atma work for me:
- join region you need an Atma from and do Fates for 20 min
- if there is no Atma then switch to another job and try another 20 min
- if there is still no Atma go do some dungeons.

ATMA are not bound to job, you might collect multiples in an area within minutes of each other, or you might not.

i say 30 minutes a zone, with a few near by easily accessible fates, and if nothing, move on to another.

You BOTH do the same amount of time, but your friend does 10 fates in that hour while you only do 5. Your friend gets his atma faster than you, not because he's "better" at his job, or faced north for fire HQ, or had carby dancing while you scratched your butt, but because he inherently did more in the same amount of time. So instead of thinking of how much time you put into fates, count the fates they took you to get the atma.

This get repeated alot, but its wrong. RNG is RNG, the amount of fates done do jack all to increase the odds of getting an atma drop.

Solar flares and seismic events are more likely to affect RNG than 'determination'

[Jican]

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Yes, RNG is RNG, but you can't deny that the more fates you do and the faster you do, the more chances you get to "roll" for that special secret number. Sure, you can roll once and get it, or you can roll 1000 times and get it, it's strickly RNG. What I am trying to tell everyone is to stop basing it off of time, instead, base it off of fates done. Someone saying they spent weeks on an atma doesn't say anything. Someone saying they did 391 fates to get an atma says something (which was one of my longer runs for this current atma set). That same 391 fates took me about 1-6 minutes to complete, counting the time it takes to get to said fates, about 1-2 minutes, i can easily say i spent a couple weeks on the atma. The fate count matters to me more than the time it took to do them, period, and if people were more aware of how many fates they average instead of "oh i spent hours on this" boohooing when they don't spend their time effectively it would cut down on a lot of misconception of the "time spent" attitude.

[ZodMel]

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