Please remove the lockout for leaving instances.

[Bluevann]

Hell no.

If anything, I would like the punishment for leaving a duty to be drastically increased.
I loathe people that leave instances simply because of 1 or 2 wipes, or it's not what they wanted in the roulette.

If it was up to me, if you leave a duty early, you'd get a 30 minute lockout and lose ALL your roulette bonuses for that day.

Exactly this. For every one person who has an actual need to leave because of serious reasons, there are twenty other people who are instead exploiting Leave for their own favor. The Roulette bonus should be lost if you Leave during the run, imho.

And it seems I'm not the only one to think that: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-as-they-enter....

[Gardthorne]

The lockout timer could stand to be increased actually. The idea of removing it altogether is absurd.

[Roris]

If you have to leave due to an emergency then you might not even be able to return before the 30 min expire anyway. If you leave because of another reason or simply because everything is going bad and you aren't patient enough even with the Echo, like I've done before, then just buckle up and take the hit.

[Zaiken]

Tank and Healer would abused it to the max if there is no penalty since they get instant que. They are already doing it even with the penalty, you can expect this features to be abused even more without the penalty. Personally, if you need to leave in case of emergency, 30 minutes is more then enough. Just leave and take the 30 minutes to do what you need to do.

Imagine if there is no penalty for leaving Dungeon or instances.

Tank: Oh I don't like this Dungeon because it is not Brayfox. *Leave*
Tank: DPS sucks! *Leave*
Tank: we are not killing fast enought! *Leave*
Tank: Someone died on pull or first boss. *Leave*

Reque to repeat and just screw everyone over again especially DPS who waited 30 - 1 hours for Dungeon. Seriously no! I'm a Tank, I get instant que, but I still wouldn't want a no Penalty either. It will be very unfair to class who don't get instant que.

[KenzieLynch]

Tank and Healer would abused it to the max if there is no penalty since they get instant que. They are already doing it even with the penalty, you can expect this features to be abused even more without the penalty. Personally, if you need to leave in case of emergency, 30 minutes is more then enough. Just leave and take the 30 minutes to do what you need to do.

Imagine if there is no penalty for leaving Dungeon or instances.

Tank: Oh I don't like this Dungeon because it is not Brayfox. *Leave*
Tank: DPS sucks! *Leave*
Tank: we are not killing fast enought! *Leave*
Tank: Someone died on pull or first boss. *Leave*

Reque to repeat and just screw everyone over again especially DPS who waited 30 - 1 hours for Dungeon. Seriously no! I'm a Tank, I get instant que, but I still wouldn't want a no Penalty either. It will be very unfair to class who don't get instant que.

Well I'm a DPS and I'm asking for it. I have been playing the game long enough to be able to see when a party just isn't going to work within 30 seconds. You yourself must have had that same feeling when entering a roulette with Titan and both healers drop within seconds? and yet the overly optimistic party want to keep trying until 20 minutes later with full echo buff the party falls apart and everyone leaves empty handed (this actually happened to me today)

You say it would be unfair to me because I don't get an instant que, and yet I knew the fate of that party within 30 seconds and spent 20 minutes banging my head against a wall that could have been spent queuing and joining a better party?

Now, I know that example is a very specific scenario, but that's the point. There are too many factors at hand, and too many ways an instance can play out, for it to be fair to use a blanket ban for leaving and instance. It favours only the type of scenario where a jerk has entered and left because he didn't want that particular dungeon but that is more an issue with roulette than anything else. There is no perfect system here, but the fairest it can be is a completely open one where everyone is free to leave and join instances as they please and SE remain neutral.

[Delsus]

If the did remove the lockout expect "no *insert jobs missing here* in the party /drops" Roulette "Pharos hell no /drops" "I remember your name /drops" hell people could just decide to troll and join DF groups and drop straight away.

And sorry no one can tell if a party isn't going to work in 30 seconds, that comment just lost you all credibility. 30 seconds is one pull, not attempting to help new players, which shows exactly why you really want no cooldown for leaving the duty, you want to drop on first pull wipes, why else would you have said that.

I have had parties that wipe on the first pull, you talk them through it, talk them through bosses and they win.

[KenzieLynch]

If the did remove the lockout expect "no *insert jobs missing here* in the party /drops" Roulette "Pharos hell no /drops" "I remember your name /drops" hell people could just decide to troll and join DF groups and drop straight away.

And sorry no one can tell if a party isn't going to work in 30 seconds, that comment just lost you all credibility. 30 seconds is one pull, not attempting to help new players, which shows exactly why you really want no cooldown for leaving the duty, you want to drop on first pull wipes, why else would you have said that.

I have had parties that wipe on the first pull, you talk them through it, talk them through bosses and they win.

A lot of times, you can actually. Although I did have trials / primals in mind when I typed that.

[Delsus]

A lot of times, you can actually. Although I did have trials / primals in mind when I typed that.

Again if you wipe you attempt to talk them through, if you are wiping within 30 seconds you probably have people new to the trial, take the time to talk them through the fight and anyone that wants to learn will at least improve progress and start to win depending on the trial. You would have to be at least 5 minutes into any fight to find out who isn't willing to learn fights. If you aren't willing to help newer players, then that's your problem.

[Skivvy]

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You are giving this community way too much credit. This would be abused in so many situations, it's not even funny. Get your drop from a dungeon? *drop*. Don't like PS (or any random dungeon) that roulette gives you? *drop*. Progressing too slowly? *drop*.

If you are having an issue with a party, then just suck it up, and eat the 30 minutes. Maybe even ask the party to boot you. Sometimes people will be kind, and if you're just a DPS, then even more likely. There is plenty you can do in that little amount of time while you wait.

I just love how you're willing to purposefully troll the party (by just sitting down and refusing to help) to get your way. Grow up.

[KenzieLynch]

You are giving this community way too much credit. This would be abused in so many situations, it's not even funny. Get your drop from a dungeon? *drop*. Don't like PS (or any random dungeon) that roulette gives you? *drop*. Progressing too slowly? *drop*.

If you are having an issue with a party, then just suck it up, and eat the 30 minutes. Maybe even ask the party to boot you. Sometimes people will be kind, and if you're just a DPS, then even more likely. There is plenty you can do in that little amount of time while you wait.

I just love how you're willing to purposefully troll the party (by just sitting down and refusing to help) to get your way. Grow up.

Read my comment again. Did I say I had done, or was actively doing that? Or was I making a point about the only other available option available to me right now if I want to avoid a lockout? If I was engaging in that kind of behaviour I wouldn't be making this proposal on the forums for christs sake, and I certainly wouldn't be bragging about this behaviour for all the GM's to see, would I? I don't think i'm the one who needs to grow up here.

That being said, players are using this method right now. So disregarding my method due to the potential for abuse is pretty futile given that the current system isn't devoid of the same thing.