what will be the main stat for Rogue/Ninja?

[Kanti]

It baffles me how people can think that ROG/NIN competing with MNK and DRG for STR gear is unfair or corrupts the balance of gear pools. Does everyone just choose to forget that there is already another ranged class in the making? We haven't heard much on it because it isn't ready to be talked about yet, or as much has been stated. What happens if you make NIN a DEX class and then your other ranged class comes out? That would put DEX classes at 3 rather than STR classes at 3. Do you think they'll make that class INT or some other ridiculous work around? No, it will be DEX, because it's a ranged class.

This "problem" with having too many classes lotting on certain stats isn't even a reasonable argument. Every fight in this game is balanced so that you can clear it with 2 tanks, 4 dps, and 2 healers. In the duty finder you have a limited amount of DPS classes, but there is always the chance you could get 4 mnks, or 4 drg, or 3 mnks and 1 brd, etc etc for however many combinations lotting on the same type of gear. So adding NIN to the pool of STR doesn't change anything. You still have the same chance of competing with other jobs for gear. If you're making pre-made groups you can further limit what jobs you want to join, so I feel this is a moot point. As this game gets older, with more and more classes coming out, it's inevitable that you will see more jobs competing for certain stats, all that can be changed is the order in which it happens.

I highly doubt they will add yet another set of STR gear to be used solely by NIN, because that WOULD throw off the balance of gear pools even further. If anything, it will share MNK gear. As more sets come out there appears to be the trend of MNK wearing lighter armor while DRG has heavier plate sets. I don't see NIN fitting aesthetically with DRG but it fits just fine with MNK, which already has the eastern style Fuma set to boot, and seemingly more like it in the future.

But what about the traits, you ask? Hell if I know. Do you know how many traits are in the database in Japanese spread out all over the place? For all we know they could be already existing traits that were touched in an update and mixed around in the database as a result, or they could be related to the long awaited second ranged class that they refuse to talk about yet. Why would the development team go out of their way to complicate their own stats by giving an obviously melee class DEX, which by definition is suited for ranged classes?

[Kitru]

It baffles me how people can think that ROG/NIN competing with MNK and DRG for STR gear is unfair or corrupts the balance of gear pools. Does everyone just choose to forget that there is already another ranged class in the making?

The next 2 classes we're getting after ROG/NIN are going to be a tank and a healer, which will come with the expansion. Unless MSK/??? is a healer, in all likelihood, it has once again been relegated to the position of "vapor-class" which means we're not likely to see it until well after the next expansion lands which, according to Yoshi, is going to be at least 3 more major patches out: CT and coil are both going to have at least 3 layers and they swap for major patches; 2.3 is going to be new CT, 2.4 is going to be new coil, and 2.5 is going to be new CT. At 3 months between major patches, that's basically another year before we see the expansion and probably another 1-2 more major patches before we see additional classes added to the ones the expansion adds.

MSK/??? has about as much impact upon near term loot distribution (which is what we're talking about) as the Christmas weather forecast has upon your Fourth of July plans.

Tanks are supposed to spec VIT, not roll on accessories that have none.

It's kind of tangential, but that's more of an issue with VIT being a stat that is very easily rendered redundant as opposed to variations in main stat. I think that the devs should start adding free parry or def/mdef to tank accs to encourage tanks to actually use them (since that will actually reduce the healing they require rather than just increase the amount of punishment they can take before dying) rather than ignoring VIT accs for STR (or STR/DEX crafted) ones.

[Exstal]

It's kind of tangential, but that's more of an issue with VIT being a stat that is very easily rendered redundant as opposed to variations in main stat. I think that the devs should start adding free parry or def/mdef to tank accs to encourage tanks to actually use them (since that will actually reduce the healing they require rather than just increase the amount of punishment they can take before dying) rather than ignoring VIT accs for STR (or STR/DEX crafted) ones.

I agree. I don't believe Warriors should be in the mindset that, "I'm not tanking, I better get a different set to increase my damage done". I'd much prefer them just being a DPS. Although, once you hit a high enough gear threshold, you can just throw out common sense and do whatever you want.

Hmm, first part I wasn't aware of; thanks. 2nd part... "tanks are supposed to spec VIT..." ... you did notice I said offtanks right? If so, thanks for the laugh. If not, well, yeah, I said offtanks.

Off tank is a tank who isn't tanking at the moment. If they are not tanking at all, they are not useful and should be replaced by a DPS (which should do far more damage than any off-tank can hope to do).

[Alistaire]

No, offtanks are also there to get adds etc. I know plenty of reports from warriors in SCoB that state the things they tank don't require VIT spec in the slightest. But a DPS would have neither the threat generation nor the defense to do their job.

And your point about MNK/DRG both lotting STR accessories in SCoB is also irrelevant, as greed parties are as common if not more so than need parties.

[Kuroyasha]

No, offtanks are also there to get adds etc. I know plenty of reports from warriors in SCoB that state the things they tank don't require VIT spec in the slightest. But a DPS would have neither the threat generation nor the defense to do their job.

And your point about MNK/DRG both lotting STR accessories in SCoB is also irrelevant, as greed parties are as common if not more so than need parties.

That's why you replace them with a dps and let the MT single tank SCoB outside of turn 6.

[Exstal]

Well, it's like this; If a Warrior, Monk and Dragoon want to roll on High Allagan Necklace of Slaying, one of those three is losing for sure 100/100 times if the other two don't have it. They'll still lose 100/100 times if only one has it. So that's where the Monk and Dragoon compete for jewelry comes from. Whereas Warrior has to wait until they both win, then win against other people who want it for their alts. Which would be the same as if a Scholar wanted to roll against a Bard for High Allagan Ring of Aiming. That Scholar can't win no matter how high a greed roll (s)he puts forth..because need always wins over greed.

[Umisame]

¿is there something new in dats from 2.3 about rogue/ninja)?
http://xivdb.com/?search/!patch-DefendersOfEorzea2.3