what will be the main stat for Rogue/Ninja?

[Exstal]

If you're going by that then the MNK/DRG competition point is invalid as well. So assuming that's not the case, Kitru is talking primarily about non-need parties and then my point stands.

High Allagan X of Slaying can be needed on by both Monk and Dragoon, but not by tanks. It's pretty recent that both melee had to share accessories, but I'm sure that's what SE will do going forward to alleviate some coding (as miniscule as it may be). In that regard, which I'm sure the point was actually meant for, the your point is irrelevant. Tanks are supposed to spec VIT, not roll on accessories that have none.

[Alistaire]

High Allagan X of Slaying can be needed on by both Monk and Dragoon, but not by tanks. It's pretty recent that both melee had to share accessories, but I'm sure that's what SE will do going forward to alleviate some coding (as miniscule as it may be). In that regard, which I'm sure the point was actually meant for, the your point is irrelevant. Tanks are supposed to spec VIT, not roll on accessories that have none.

Hmm, first part I wasn't aware of; thanks. 2nd part... "tanks are supposed to spec VIT..." ... you did notice I said offtanks right? If so, thanks for the laugh. If not, well, yeah, I said offtanks.

[Kitru]

It baffles me how people can think that ROG/NIN competing with MNK and DRG for STR gear is unfair or corrupts the balance of gear pools. Does everyone just choose to forget that there is already another ranged class in the making?

The next 2 classes we're getting after ROG/NIN are going to be a tank and a healer, which will come with the expansion. Unless MSK/??? is a healer, in all likelihood, it has once again been relegated to the position of "vapor-class" which means we're not likely to see it until well after the next expansion lands which, according to Yoshi, is going to be at least 3 more major patches out: CT and coil are both going to have at least 3 layers and they swap for major patches; 2.3 is going to be new CT, 2.4 is going to be new coil, and 2.5 is going to be new CT. At 3 months between major patches, that's basically another year before we see the expansion and probably another 1-2 more major patches before we see additional classes added to the ones the expansion adds.

MSK/??? has about as much impact upon near term loot distribution (which is what we're talking about) as the Christmas weather forecast has upon your Fourth of July plans.

Tanks are supposed to spec VIT, not roll on accessories that have none.

It's kind of tangential, but that's more of an issue with VIT being a stat that is very easily rendered redundant as opposed to variations in main stat. I think that the devs should start adding free parry or def/mdef to tank accs to encourage tanks to actually use them (since that will actually reduce the healing they require rather than just increase the amount of punishment they can take before dying) rather than ignoring VIT accs for STR (or STR/DEX crafted) ones.

[Exstal]

It's kind of tangential, but that's more of an issue with VIT being a stat that is very easily rendered redundant as opposed to variations in main stat. I think that the devs should start adding free parry or def/mdef to tank accs to encourage tanks to actually use them (since that will actually reduce the healing they require rather than just increase the amount of punishment they can take before dying) rather than ignoring VIT accs for STR (or STR/DEX crafted) ones.

I agree. I don't believe Warriors should be in the mindset that, "I'm not tanking, I better get a different set to increase my damage done". I'd much prefer them just being a DPS. Although, once you hit a high enough gear threshold, you can just throw out common sense and do whatever you want.

Hmm, first part I wasn't aware of; thanks. 2nd part... "tanks are supposed to spec VIT..." ... you did notice I said offtanks right? If so, thanks for the laugh. If not, well, yeah, I said offtanks.

Off tank is a tank who isn't tanking at the moment. If they are not tanking at all, they are not useful and should be replaced by a DPS (which should do far more damage than any off-tank can hope to do).

[Alistaire]

No, offtanks are also there to get adds etc. I know plenty of reports from warriors in SCoB that state the things they tank don't require VIT spec in the slightest. But a DPS would have neither the threat generation nor the defense to do their job.

And your point about MNK/DRG both lotting STR accessories in SCoB is also irrelevant, as greed parties are as common if not more so than need parties.

[Exstal]

Well, it's like this; If a Warrior, Monk and Dragoon want to roll on High Allagan Necklace of Slaying, one of those three is losing for sure 100/100 times if the other two don't have it. They'll still lose 100/100 times if only one has it. So that's where the Monk and Dragoon compete for jewelry comes from. Whereas Warrior has to wait until they both win, then win against other people who want it for their alts. Which would be the same as if a Scholar wanted to roll against a Bard for High Allagan Ring of Aiming. That Scholar can't win no matter how high a greed roll (s)he puts forth..because need always wins over greed.

[Kuroyasha]

No, offtanks are also there to get adds etc. I know plenty of reports from warriors in SCoB that state the things they tank don't require VIT spec in the slightest. But a DPS would have neither the threat generation nor the defense to do their job.

And your point about MNK/DRG both lotting STR accessories in SCoB is also irrelevant, as greed parties are as common if not more so than need parties.

That's why you replace them with a dps and let the MT single tank SCoB outside of turn 6.

[Umisame]

¿is there something new in dats from 2.3 about rogue/ninja)?
http://xivdb.com/?search/!patch-DefendersOfEorzea2.3