Dead/Bad players and winning loot

[IfritReborn]

I've noticed something incredibly disturbing throughout these past couple of months

Players who are either:
a.) Dead the majority of the fight
b.) Repeatedly dying throughout the fight
c.) Refusing to learn from their mistakes and bringing everyone down, making the fight harder
d.) Uses "laaaaag" as an excuse for everything

Are the ones who, not only get their loot dropped, but are winning the rolls and walking away rewarded. This isn't just some one time thing, I have seen this happen countless times during Coil and Extremes. It's almost as if the system in place checks to see who performed the absolute worst and then proceeds to reward them like the Needs Improvement kids in elementary school who get awards to make them feel better!

Master Loot would be nice and would put a stop to that. People already "reserve" loot in PF, but can we take it a step further?
Yes this causes drama but I think it solves more than it creates

[Pyreflye]

Or, I dunno, maybe they just happened to roll a higher number.

[Shneibel]

Or, I dunno, maybe they just happened to roll a higher number.

not really, it call god bless the noob. I once do T5 with 7 ppl with intent to help random ppl though t5 in DF, and guess what 3 times with 3 different noob, they all got their wep on first win and get carry though the fight since dive bomb

[blowfin]

Observation bias anyone?

[Chihaya]

Open for massive abuse, the I deserve the item more than you mentality.

I DPS'd higher than you, I deserve the loot more etc

[HulveinBlitz]

Lots of flaws there, but to avoid going through them all..

This simply will never happen. Make a PF, kick people if you feel their bad. You have the tools to create the parties you'll like, use them.

[Ryel]

Master Loot would be nice and would put a stop to that. People already "reserve" loot in PF, but can we take it a step further?
Yes this causes drama but I think it solves more than it creates

How does this stop the master looter / party leader from dying a few dozen times exactly?

And honestly the whole "reserve" loot in Party Finder thing is kind of ridiculous anyway. You reserve loot because what, you spent 30 seconds to put up the Party Finder?

At least that's easily solved by just not joining the party.

[Truxton]

I'm prolly gonna get flamed for this but i agree with op TO AN EXTENT. It seems like those who are dragging others down or constantly refusing to cooperate with the rest of the group seem to be rewarded. While it really all comes down to luck on rolls it would be useful to have some kind of system where you can prevent this with a master loot kind of thing. This would help with ninja looting as well when ppl are not going on their main jobs and are going on something else to be helpful only to have what was promised to them be snatched away by the one player who was kissing the floor 90% of the fight or the guy who gets knocked off in titan/levi ex. I feel those kind of people aren't deserving of loot in those situations but that's just me. (remember that is just an opinion)

On the flip side I also acknowledge that incorporating that kind of system is easily abused by pug groups or those trying to 'claim x item' so there really is no clear cut answer to solve this.

[Kuwagami]

This would help with ninja looting as well when ppl are not going on their main jobs and are going on something else to be helpful only to have what was promised to them be snatched away by the one player who was kissing the floor 90% of the fight or the guy who gets knocked off in titan/levi ex.

Ninja loot doesn't exist.

In DF, you have no right at all on the loot.

In PF, you can state the loot rules, make the party members say "I agree to the stated rules", screenshot it, then report anyone idiot enough not to follow them (it falls under "bad behaviour" or something like that iirc).

Again, ninja loot does not exist. If you joined a N>G not as the job you wanted, you are the one at fault, not the guy needing the item.

[Truxton]

Ninja loot doesn't exist.

In DF, you have no right at all on the loot.

In PF, you can state the loot rules, make the party members say "I agree to the stated rules", screenshot it, then report anyone idiot enough not to follow them (it falls under "bad behaviour" or something like that iirc).

Again, ninja loot does not exist. If you joined a N>G not as the job you wanted, you are the one at fault, not the guy needing the item.

I completely agree with this. It's my fault for not clarifying in my post that I was referring to pre-organized PF groups and not df. Ninja loot does indeed exist though. Example joining a pf that specifically says greed party and joining as tank since they desperately need it but you are asking for heal gear. You win and have your heal gear stolen by a healer who needs on it who happened to want it as well. Is it your fault for being helpful for going tank or healers for needing in a group that specifically had clear cut rules about it being greed only? To me I say healer and that's why some kind of loot system besides having to run to GMs and tattle over "X took my Y wahwahhh" every time. Again, like I said though without some way to actually make sure leader doesn't abuse the system it's moot.