I think you simply took me as concerned. My original statement was that Echo is a good and bad thing, because it makes people clear content but bad at the same time because bad players stay bad. You were the one who started with people have plenty to learn despite the nerfed state which I simply drawn examples and reasoning why it isn't, and they aren't going to be able to learn as much as pre-nerf.
I just think that your point about echo making "bad players stay bad" is kind of BS. That's all really.

You know how it goes, last year it was "FATE leveling creates bad players", in XI people blamed Abyssea. Now it's the Echo. It's all BS. It comes down to the individual and how much they're willing to learn and participate. Echo doesn't change that.