Problems with SMN Resurrection Spell Usage

[Urielparadox]

I have casted raise over 14 times in a titan hard mode fight. Was this too much? yes. To say we don't have enough mp to do it, is a lie. If you are ever worried about you mp as a summoner it's because you are casting ruin 2 too much or switch egis. AS fr as it goes though a sch's mp is more needed then a summoners mp, and to say you need to cast ruin 2 more and thats why you can't raise is a very very very poor excuse. it's almost always better for a summoner to raise since 95% of it's damage come from dots.

[Eltaire]

I recently did a Crystal Tower run as a Summoner, and both the Healers went down. If I didn't res them, then the party would have wiped as it was on the Behemoth King battle, so the electric floor would have gotten us all.

I don't see a problem with Summoners using Res, especially when they can use Swiftcast. ;D

[IceSpear]

Well first off you shouldn't even need to be casting resurrection unless one or both healers go down. Healers should be able to keep everyone up otherwise they're not doing there job properly. And in this instance that you mentioned if they can't dodge a simple mechanic then it's their fault and if the healers (assuming one scholar and one white mage) can't keep the party up then they're bad healers.

[Marianno]

Well first off you shouldn't even need to be casting resurrection unless one or both healers go down. Healers should be able to keep everyone up otherwise they're not doing there job properly. And in this instance that you mentioned if they can't dodge a simple mechanic then it's their fault and if the healers (assuming one scholar and one white mage) can't keep the party up then they're bad healers.

This so much. While I don't see the problem with res people as a SMN, I do see the problem with being put on res duty and having consistently res people who refuse to dodge colorful circles of death because they feel that finishing their combo or rotation is more important. Simply put, move your a** out the colorful circle of death. Again, granted that I am very understanding of lag/ping issues that cause severe delays, but if I have to consistently res you then I will leave there to rot and I will not res you. I will not pick up slack for people who don't try. I don't mind res people because it is a skill given to my unique DPS job. However, don't think that my res are free and that MP is certainly not and issue. Though I usually never cast ruin 2 unless I'm forced to move around, my res is only in the case of both healers going down or tank(s) or when a DPS dies and the healers can't get to the DPS to res them. I'm not going to just stand idly by in any raid instance and sit on res duty (wait until someone dies and then res them) because that is not the primary motive of playing DPS. My job is to kill and I will take pleasure in killing the enemy as my job dictates.

[SeraviEdalborez]

I think you're missing my argument. I'm not saying SMN can't or shouldn't raise. I'm saying there's no reason for you to be first to raise unless both healers are dead (in which case you're the only raise), their Swiftcast isn't up, and/or their MP is bad. If none of those are happening, why shouldn't a healer just do it?

Ruin 2 isn't bad by the way, if you are in melee range. Autoattack damage is not insignificant and the increased MP cost is not often a problem except for some long fights.

[tOnni3]

I think it is depend on play style and mindset.

Somebody will do all it takes to accomplish the mission.
Somebody wants to go all out and down boss as fast as possible, or to be the top in parser.

But for me, I do raise duty to help healers' MP. And hard cast raise if it is necessary and safe to do.
Normally I alway weave in Ruin II, but I stop it if I find MP is getting low
(by that time when MP almost run out, so are healers' MP, and now Ballad is up to save my day).

Moreover, I throw E4E, Virus on the critical moment as well.
I like to support party this way, that's why I play SMN.

[Marukoban]

SMN has less MP, but it also has cheaper skills. So yes, revives hurt a healer's MP just as much.
Bard is an idiot for not using Ballad, but you're smart for not reviving as a SMN? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bard's lose way more DPS using Ballad than a SMN ever would by reviving.
No, you would not be doomed. Because the SMN would be taking the MP issue away from the healer, leaving them free to keep the party alive. If most SMNs would just get over themselves, there would be a lot less wipes.

All I'm hearing is, "It's not my fault the other players are bad." You, as the alleged better player, should be able to help pick up the slack of the people who are struggling. Not just blame the rest of the group and act superior.

I play WHM, SCH, and SMN as my mains, all being i90+. I've seen several situations where a SMN revive has prevented a wipe, especially when I'm the SMN reviving people. And not once has it severely hindered my DPS. So stop thinking only about topping the DPS chart, and start helping your team succeed.

This so much
I'm not sure why some people here so hesitant to use Resurrection as Summoner.
If you can try to save a party, why not?
To be honest, if most of the members keep dying and you don't have any faith left in them, you most likely won't be able to clear the content with that party.
Why bother still standing there and not 100% contributing to the team?
You should be more concerned with your time rather than your DPS or MP.

Topic like this honestly is like Bard whining about having to use Mage's Ballad, which doesn't make much sense.
It comes with your job, so it's part of resources you have to contribute to your team.