Problems with SMN Resurrection Spell Usage

[PArcher]

If I was raiding (or doing serious content) with a SMN who wouldn't rez, that SMN wouldn't be in the group for long.

Rez order for every (serious) group I've been in has always been SMN -> SCH -> WHM. SCH and WHM need their mana to heal, but SMN can get away with just using DoTs and forgetting Ruin spam if they absolutely have to, which in a serious group they won't need to.

If a PUG SMN refused to Rez...well, kick and replace, especially in a learning group. If you can't be bothered to help the group fully, I can't be bothered to keep you around. Plenty of other DPS to be found.

[Senna-Blackstar]

As the SMN for my static group, I almost never do the raising. I let the healers do their job and the bard play mana song if necessary. Multiple deaths in coil usually means a wipe anyway, so healers wont have time to be oom. If my swiftcast is up and neither of the healers have theirs, I raise, but 9/10 my swiftcast gets used for shadowflare, allowing me to use an off GCD ability without reducing my damage. It depends on the people you play with. In my static there aren't a lot of deaths that wouldn't cause a raid wipe, so the healers do the raising.

As for regular dungeons, I'll raise if swiftcast is up when someone dies, but I don't leave it specifically for raises. No one has ever complained about it.

[Kazumac]

If people are dying constantly work out a rotation for resing with your healers so one person doesn't take the whole burden. On farm content as a SCH I typically like the first Rez since MP isn't much of an issue and I notice a death quicker than the SMN but many groups tend to ask the SMN to take first Rez. If in a fight like Titan ex the same person is repeatedly dying every 30 seconds... It usually isn't worth anyone's time to Rez them sadly.

Pushing new content with a static it will be organized with the group but I don't think the OP is talking about a static...

[SeraviEdalborez]

Priority raise to SMN seems very strange to me (SCH). I am always #1. I don't have MP issues unless 3 people + my fairy all die at the same time or something. Things dying slower because the SMN dumped 800 MP is silly and weird.

Save SMN raise for when both healers have Swift down, both healers are dead, or more than 2 people are dead.

[givemeraptors]

Priority raise to SMN seems very strange to me (SCH). I am always #1. I don't have MP issues unless 3 people + my fairy all die at the same time or something. Things dying slower because the SMN dumped 800 MP is silly and weird.

Save SMN raise for when both healers have Swift down, both healers are dead, or more than 2 people are dead.

Yeah! I've been waiting for someone to say this. The priority should actually be SCH-->SMN-->WHM. SCH has so much better MP management. Unless I've had to raise 3+ people in a short amount of time I'm not running out of MP. And that's...well, probably a wipe.

[SeraviEdalborez]

It literally takes a second for a healer to raise. Same as a SMN. Insisting SMN is more qualified than (otherhealer) to do it based solely on "keeping the group alive" is, frankly, silly. If Swiftcast didn't exist you would have a point, but I find time to hardcast raise too while not letting anyone die. So...

Any healer who would rather have the SMN do it (and is fine on MP, or will need a Ballad alongside the other healer anyways) is not doing their job.

[Gamma621]

It literally takes a second for a healer to raise. Same as a SMN. Insisting SMN is more qualified than (otherhealer) to do it based solely on "keeping the group alive" is, frankly, silly. If Swiftcast didn't exist you would have a point, but I find time to hardcast raise too while not letting anyone die. So...

Any healer who would rather have the SMN do it (and is fine on MP, or will need a Ballad alongside the other healer anyways) is not doing their job.

It's a good thing that Swiftcast is never on cooldown.
It's a good thing that Raise doesn't hurt a healer's MP pool just as much as a SMN.
It's a good thing that every single party has a Bard.
It's a good thing that every Bard is smart enough to use Mage's Ballad when it's needed.
It's a good thing that the party doesn't wipe if a healer runs out of MP from reviving everyone, just to make sure that SMN keeps up the DPS.

Oh wait...

[SeraviEdalborez]

It's a good thing that Swiftcast is never on cooldown.
It's a good thing that Raise doesn't hurt a healer's MP pool just as much as a SMN.
It's a good thing that every single party has a Bard.
It's a good thing that every Bard is smart enough to use Mage's Ballad when it's needed.
It's a good thing that the party doesn't wipe if a healer runs out of MP from reviving everyone, just to make sure that SMN keeps up the DPS.

Oh wait...

Depends.
It doesn't. SMN has less.
Point.
BRD is an idiot then, no fault of any of the mages.
If this happens you were doomed anyways. Also hyperbole. Also ignoring my "and is fine on MP" stipulation.

[Gamma621]

Depends.
It doesn't. SMN has less.
Point.
BRD is an idiot then, no fault of any of the mages.
If this happens you were doomed anyways. Also hyperbole. Also ignoring my "and is fine on MP" stipulation.

SMN has less MP, but it also has cheaper skills. So yes, revives hurt a healer's MP just as much.
Bard is an idiot for not using Ballad, but you're smart for not reviving as a SMN? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bard's lose way more DPS using Ballad than a SMN ever would by reviving.
No, you would not be doomed. Because the SMN would be taking the MP issue away from the healer, leaving them free to keep the party alive. If most SMNs would just get over themselves, there would be a lot less wipes.

All I'm hearing is, "It's not my fault the other players are bad." You, as the alleged better player, should be able to help pick up the slack of the people who are struggling. Not just blame the rest of the group and act superior.

I play WHM, SCH, and SMN as my mains, all being i90+. I've seen several situations where a SMN revive has prevented a wipe, especially when I'm the SMN reviving people. And not once has it severely hindered my DPS. So stop thinking only about topping the DPS chart, and start helping your team succeed.

[Marukoban]

SMN has less MP, but it also has cheaper skills. So yes, revives hurt a healer's MP just as much.
Bard is an idiot for not using Ballad, but you're smart for not reviving as a SMN? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bard's lose way more DPS using Ballad than a SMN ever would by reviving.
No, you would not be doomed. Because the SMN would be taking the MP issue away from the healer, leaving them free to keep the party alive. If most SMNs would just get over themselves, there would be a lot less wipes.

All I'm hearing is, "It's not my fault the other players are bad." You, as the alleged better player, should be able to help pick up the slack of the people who are struggling. Not just blame the rest of the group and act superior.

I play WHM, SCH, and SMN as my mains, all being i90+. I've seen several situations where a SMN revive has prevented a wipe, especially when I'm the SMN reviving people. And not once has it severely hindered my DPS. So stop thinking only about topping the DPS chart, and start helping your team succeed.

This so much
I'm not sure why some people here so hesitant to use Resurrection as Summoner.
If you can try to save a party, why not?
To be honest, if most of the members keep dying and you don't have any faith left in them, you most likely won't be able to clear the content with that party.
Why bother still standing there and not 100% contributing to the team?
You should be more concerned with your time rather than your DPS or MP.

Topic like this honestly is like Bard whining about having to use Mage's Ballad, which doesn't make much sense.
It comes with your job, so it's part of resources you have to contribute to your team.