Problems with SMN Resurrection Spell Usage

[Marianno]

Lately, I've gotten a lot of flack and drama about not using resurrection spell when I play with my SMN job in dungeons from Healers(WHMs) and DPS(MNK,DRG,BLM) and some tanks(PLD). When I play in high end dungeons such as coil t1-t5, extreme/HM primal fights, or simply playing in some dungeons wherethe tank wants to speedrun and pull the entire first half of the dungeon (i.e. brayflox). Everytime, I always have to tell people not to stand in red circles or stand in anything that the boss is casting.

Most recent incident was in Thornmarch/ Titan Extreme. The DPS and the WHM kept on dropping like flies due to plumes. A lot of people were yelling at me and the other SMN to use res and I yelled back saying "DO NOT STAND IN ANYTHING THE BOSS IS CASTING". Upon saying that I follwed up and told them that SMNs lose a lot of MP when casting res because at 50 it cost 798 MP. A lot of MNKs,DRGs, BLMs have even gotten angry at me for not using res when MNKs/DRGs die to garudas wicked wheel in garuda extreme or when BLMs stand there trying to finish their cast and take damage when she jumps and the healer won't heal them. Am I doing something wrong?

Am I wrong for telling them to learn to dodge things and not to stand in red circles or stand in whatever the boss is casting against you because it is never good usually. Everytime this happens, I end up getting dismissed because I refuse to continuously res MNKs/DRGs who can't dodge avoidable mechanics. I also refuse to res BLMs who refuse to stop casting to move out of avoidable AOEs. Am I wrong for this?

[Ardan]

If the healer is dying due to mechanics or from AoEs, it's their own fault. Same goes for DPS. Most of the time the healers can get people up themselves. However, because you have access to an instant cast raise every minute as a DPS class, it's expected of you to chip in to get people up once in a while. But if people are dying left and right to mechanics alone, no amount of raising will cure their stupid.

You're not doing anything wrong, but you could be doing more.

[Exstal]

Battle resurrection is an incredibly powerful utility spell because it's supposed to be a healer only skill. So they expect the res rotation to be SMN => SCH => WHM. But if you don't have Bard, it's kind of annoying because you waste so much mana ressing people who can't be arsed to dodge, or lag, or are bad.

It's not wrong to tell them to suck less, but you should res people who need to be ressed whereas you should teach the people who aren't even trying a good lesson (those BLMs who refuse to move). Then tell them, "I'm not wasting my MP because you don't want to play properly."

[Jamez82]

Sounds like his problem is with "repeatedly" rezzing. I feel yoyr pain.
When I play my smn I will almost always rez someone the second I see them drop, but I'm not always going to see it either. I am to busy paying attention to dpsing, I can't be expected to watch everyones health bars at all times on top of that or I'd have brought my sch.

[Deifact]

You should definitely try and res if one or two people fall, but you'll quickly know if it's a lost cause. That res could save from a wipe so by not using your res skill you're potentially wasting your own and your team mates time.

Just try to be more flexible, SMN is a class that excels in flexibility, so you're doing it a disservice by not utilising everything at your disposal.

[Merryl]

When both mages go down ...yes its your turn to take over. Rez the healer and then heal them. They will have one shot of mp after being raised. If they're smart they'll use that one shot to cast medica 2 or protect and then hide long enough to regain some mp to raise the tank.

[Alistaire]

Should they avoid avoidable damage? Yes. Should you be the first to swift-res anyone that doesn't, for whatever reason? Also yes.

SMN might as well be considered a non-MP using job considering how easy it is for them to keep up enough MP to do their dps'ing.

[Marianno]

But then the problem come when people try and put me on res duty in some parties and then people constantly die and expect me to consistently res you even after you die multiple times. I have seen people just standing in stuff because they know that they will be res if they go down. My primary job as a SMN is DPS not healing or res anyone unless both healers go down. I haven't been in a situation where both healers went down but I have when one healer went down or the tank went down. Then I would swift cast res the healer and try and heal them and then with what I have left try to res the tank. But when people consistently die and think that the SMN can simply res and has a large MP pool then that is quite frustrating and I won't be bothered with it. There are a lot of AOEs that are avoidable and a lot of unavoidable AOEs and while I know that there are some jobs with sucky MDEF, the stuff that is avoidable you should learn not to stand in colorful circles lol.

Note: I do agree that I should res people which I have no problem with. But again, the probelm is consistently res people and then being put on res duty in some parties. Though I am not trying to sound like I am complaining about anything, I just don't understand why do people feel like they don't have to avoid avoidable AOE dmg when they see healers and SMNs in the party with an active res ability. I don't mind res people once or maybe even twice, but when you consitently die then that is disturbing because then it starts to eat into my MP. Apart from which could be spent trying to physic people who the healer may have missed and really needed the healing or trying to res a tank or healer who went down. DPS should know that they should not stand in colorful circles of death lol. I have been having this problems with a lot of low lvl parties in the DF and then even sometimes in high lvl parties in the PF. Its become a nuisance honestly.

[Merryl]

True its not your job. It's something that should only be done if they ask you to. I have been yelled at for raising people as summoner.
And yes they should not be standing in the aoe lol

[Puwarh]

I don't know for the others but for me as summoner I do resurrection before the healers because there MP are harder to replenish (excepted SCH) and they will have to keep other people survive and for SMN keeping your DoTs up is also doing damage and your pet will do some damage for you too, so I will have time to resurrect people. Besides when people got resurrected by me they got topped up by the healer anyway, but if there are multiple people down in raids It will be much harder.

1. I think the 1st one that should resurrect people is SMN
2. For myself it's hard to dodge due to ping from server that may cause more than 0.5 sec. then may be people did try to dodge but cannot dodge properly due to ping from server. It's hard to tell if you ask me.