In need of alternative endgame content

[ChiefCurrahee]

XIV is sorely missing in the alternative endgame content. Coil is fine, but the lock out is detrimental to any form of community building outside of an 8 man static group. We are in dire need of content that doesn't lock you out of playing the game for a week at a time, something that instead of locking content locks loot, or tokens for special loot upon clear.

[Zarzak]

I direct you to CT

[Parz3val]

I direct you to CT

Gear lockout. Quickly obsolete. Not able to queue as 24.

[Codek]

Gear lockout. Quickly obsolete. Not able to queue as 24.

Imagine how quickly it would become obsolete if there was no gear lockout to begin with.

[DragonFlyy]

Quick look at OP's profile, crafting. Crafting is a good alternative endgame.

[Nero]

Imagine how quickly it would become obsolete if there was no gear lockout to begin with.

Sssh... don't say that... people on this Forum do not like common sense.

[ChiefCurrahee]

I direct you to CT

CT in it's 2.1 and soon 2.3 iteration was and will be obsolete to begin with. It's not end game content, it's a stepping stone or filler to get to coil. I'm talking about a real alternative to coil that isn't gated behind a weekly lock out. Something that allows friends and FC members to challenge content and help others progress their character other than coil. Make it a lengthy dungeon crawl, NM hunts, guildhest or leves with rare loot drops, or loot lock out. Anything rather then locking players out of playing the game for a week at a time.
My FC lost a few members because of the turns 1-5 weekly lockout and lost more because of the 6-9 lock out.

Quick look at OP's profile, crafting. Crafting is a good alternative endgame.

Crafting isn't end game, or a means of progression compared with coil.

[Kerberon]

I love how when people ask for things like this they can never spell out specifics that they want.

[Welsper59]

I still don't really see why dungeon/raid lockouts are unusual to some people (unless you're new to the genre). Shouldn't this be... the normal acceptable method in an MMORPG?

Besides, allowing players free roam is rarely a good idea. We generally eat up content WAY too fast. I guarantee... GUARANTEE that if 10 versions of coil-like content were released, and patches were staggered by maybe 6 months instead of the 3 currently, people would still be complaining there's nothing to do for endgame. Of course, there's also problems with allowing the players too much access to things. When there's a risk that someone will literally die from exhaustion from playing your video game, that kinda raises a flag that people can't quite control themselves, even when their lives are on the line.

[Xatsh]

I still don't really see why dungeon/raid lockouts are unusual to some people (unless you're new to the genre). Shouldn't this be... the normal acceptable method in an MMORPG?

Besides, allowing players free roam is rarely a good idea. We generally eat up content WAY too fast. I guarantee... GUARANTEE that if 10 versions of coil-like content were released, and patches were staggered by maybe 6 months instead of the 3 currently, people would still be complaining there's nothing to do for endgame. Of course, there's also problems with allowing the players too much access to things. When there's a risk that someone will literally die from exhaustion from playing your video game, that kinda raises a flag that people can't quite control themselves, even when their lives are on the line.

The issue is the way XIV is designed. Other games have lockouts but they handled them much much better.


I will use the big 2 other mmo that people in this game came from:

XI had lockouts - they involved between 6-50ppl could take any amount of people and there was numerous activities to do at once. (Equally valid content with and without lockouts)
WoW had Lockouts - you could take your entire/most your guild without leaving people out. Yes WoW had lack of content when you go to the end, but it was focused on the entire group.

XIV has linear content to the extreme... where 1 piece of content vastly superior to all other content in terms of reward. The same content forces a low man structure. And it imposes extremely strict lockouts (once a week only... most games it is 48-72hrs)

- You can do ct2 next patch, but everything is subpar compaired to coil and Solidery gear (Since it can be upgraded). Except the tombstones, oils and sands.
- New primals will last for alittle while. 1 month at most for people already at endgame.
- dungeons only purpose in XIV is to get Soldiery or Myth for Relic Quest
- Maps are for vanity pets or Alexadrite
- Old CT is vanity only
- Old Coil is subpar compaired to everything in 2.2
- Ifrit/Garuda/Titan are for vanity only or pet collecting
- Hildebrant quest is good once through for story
- Quest are good once through for story.

Unless you are collecting vanity items or pets... the only valid content is coil and Levi. And 1 has a week long lockout. For anyone who can beat coil the game has 3-4hrs a week worth of valid content.

That is the problem with XIV... there is 1 piece of endgame content and it has extremely restrictive lockouts. They need to either add more content that is valid or remove the lockouts... If people burn through it too fast the devs need to either A) design content faster or B) add different forms of content for endgame... not just 1 set of instanced boss fight (it is not even a raid technically).