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[Sakasa]

If the wanted full control of Eorzea its bad idea to just ignore the city state in the middle of it all, unless there is some reason yet to be given to us the players.

Well one would believe that Ishgard might have drank the koolaid in the same method the GCs were prepared to. And in such unlike our city states Ishgard has much to gain from the power of the empire as it took many more dragons then it did ships in the battle of Silvertear. But there is another reason *ques twilight music* Who ever was the mysterious force behind leading the Garlean's to the Allag also advised them to by pass Ishgard. So if it is deeper then the just the Ascian's (As I believe Gaius is/was tempered in some form prior to Ultima) that Ishgard is already under the other powers control or is target of another plan and need the Garlean's in Eorzea central for some reason.

[evilsohn]

well, Ishgard wasn't willing to help the other three city states against The Empire at the end of 2.0 either, right?

The way they set up the Ishgardians and their pope thus far I'd actually be disappointed if they weren't bad guys one way or the other.

About Shiva, Halone and not every Primal fitting one of the Twelve... Humans tend to revere stuffs they can't understand with gods so when Shiva showed up they might have thought her a goddess and called her Halone. That wouldn't necessarily mean that the primals are all part of the twelve, nor that every god of the twelve has to be a primal.

Also, if I remember correctly Lahabret (?was that his name - I'm talking of the ascian that took control over Thancred) draws a comparison between the Beast-tribes worshipping the Primals and us worshipping the twelve.

I'm really looking forward as to how the story will further unfold

[Icecylee]

Why in the world would the garleans attack Ishgard? They're already fighting off three city states and not doing so hot as is - if the ishgardians are content to stand aside, why add a fourth to the mix before you're done with the first three? That, and all winning control over ishgard gets you is a front row seat against the ongoing war against the dragons. Sounds like a bad deal all around to me. >_>

[Xmbei]

Empires opinion is win by superior fire power which they had over all of Eorzea prior to primals unleashed! And ala mhigo was stronger than ishgard! In all city states of Eorzea. Plus The Empire conquered the rest of the known world in no time at all so what is some backwater place as Eorzea to them?

[Rocl]

Guillaime (the false Inquisitor) and his Temple Knight conspirator (name I can't remember, but you fight him at Francel's trial and he summons a Wyvern) are two I'd argue display tempered behaviour and unlikely to be victims of torture.

[Saikou]

What does Marcellus Wallace look like!? No, let's try that again...


What does a "normal" dravanian beastman look like and what innate abilities do the rank and file have? It could be that the powers our false Inquisitor and false Templar displayed are not uncommon abilities among the Dravanian people. Or their shape-shifting power is primal related. That's pretty much our two options.

I'd like to see what a Dravanian looks like, and I'm hoping it's not just, like, intelligent Thustaevis or other dragon type mobs that we see in Coerthas. There is just so much we do not know about the Dravanian hordes, their kings, and what primal(s) they might worship. Finding out what the Bahamut and Twintania connections to the Dravanians would be fun.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Finding out what the Bahamut and Twintania connections to the Dravanians would be fun.

AFAIK, Twin has nothing to do with the Dravanians. It's implied that she and her ilk are remnants of Merisidia (can't be arsed to remember how that's spelled), which is a separate continent to the south, iirc.

[Alenore]

AFAIK, Twin has nothing to do with the Dravanians. It's implied that she and her ilk are remnants of Merisidia (can't be arsed to remember how that's spelled), which is a separate continent to the south, iirc.

Not exactly. "Scourge of Meracydia" refers to the fact the Allagan Empire invaded that continent using dragons. it's the Scourge OF Meracydia, not FROM Meracydia. Twintania is just a bigger drake they also enslaved for war reasons.

[Enkidoh]

What does Marcellus Wallace look like!? No, let's try that again...


What does a "normal" dravanian beastman look like and what innate abilities do the rank and file have? It could be that the powers our false Inquisitor and false Templar displayed are not uncommon abilities among the Dravanian people. Or their shape-shifting power is primal related. That's pretty much our two options.

I'd like to see what a Dravanian looks like, and I'm hoping it's not just, like, intelligent Thustaevis or other dragon type mobs that we see in Coerthas. There is just so much we do not know about the Dravanian hordes, their kings, and what primal(s) they might worship. Finding out what the Bahamut and Twintania connections to the Dravanians would be fun.

The game clearly states the Dravanian Horde are the thustaevises - they're like their rank and file grunts, where as the true dragons like Svara and Nidhogg are the 'aristocracy', the leaders of the Horde. Thus this makes the Dravanians somewhat unique amongst the other beastmen tribes - more bestial and less like men. But the actual dragons like Nidhogg are shown to be intelligent, and even capable of communication (such as during the DRG quests).

To me at least, I think that the Dravanians are different to other beastmen in that the actual dragons of their tribe are capable of directly corrupting men (such as shown during the DRG quests) without the presence of a Primal, which probably explains how they've been creating heretics without any apparent Primal summoning going on. That would also pour, excuse the pun, hot water on the whole 'Shiva is the Primal of the dragons' theory, but it does go someway to explaining how the dragons have been brainwashing for so long without a Primal's influence.

[Catapult]

To me at least, I think that the Dravanians are different to other beastmen in that the actual dragons of their tribe are capable of directly corrupting men (such as shown during the DRG quests) without the presence of a Primal, which probably explains how they've been creating heretics without any apparent Primal summoning going on. That would also pour, excuse the pun, hot water on the whole 'Shiva is the Primal of the dragons' theory, but it does go someway to explaining how the dragons have been brainwashing for so long without a Primal's influence.

Now you've got me wondering about tempering again. We've nailed down what it does, but not so much how it mechanically works. Is it an acute control or alteration of a body's aether?
And does this mean that the dragons may hold the key to restoring the tempered to personal control of their faith? If so, it would put the Archbishop in a very awkward position.