FFXIV ECONOMICS 101

[ruinedmirage]

The nobility of your actions is greatly diminished by the fact that you use them to shame other people. If you truly intended your generous actions to be their own reward, you would never have felt the need to bring them up here. Instead, you did. It is clear that you actually were working to put yourself into a position of moral superiority from which you could lord it over other people you consider to be beneath you. Classy.

You know what, I believe you. You're right, there's no such thing as leading by example, no point in describing kind acts in hope that others might do the same. There's no such thing as altruistic people in this world, no integrity, and only moral corruption exists. You're right, and I'm just an attention whore with a superiority complex.

I do believe generosity is it's own reward, and I'm sorry for describing my experience. Even more sorry that people feel acts like this should be kept behind closed doors, and more sorry still that some consider virtuous acts as an ulterior motive to being "better" than others. If my viewpoint of the degradation of community offends you, that's a personal problem..... it's just an opinion.

[LineageRazor]

You know what, I believe you. You're right, there's no such thing as leading by example, no point in describing kind acts in hope that others might do the same. You're right, and I'm just an attention whore with a superiority complex.

If you had been describing the altruistic examples of someone else, rather than yourself, then it would leave you far less open to such accusations.

Ah, but I forget - the world is a swirling cesspool of moral corruption and degradation, with you as the sole shining beacon of light. Of course there could be no other example, for you are the only one!

On a more serious note, your post didn't really add anything to the thread as a whole; the discussion was about what business practices are "fair" and "unfair" for making money through crafting. The implication of your post was that it's immoral to make money through crafting at all - crafters should just give everything away for free! I'm pretty sure crafters who sell for profit are not inherently immoral. Earning money is a necessary part of playing the game, and crafting is one way to do it. Crafting for profit is in itself neither moral nor immoral.

[ruinedmirage]

If you had been describing the altruistic examples of someone else, rather than yourself, then it would leave you far less open to such accusations.

Ah, but I forget - the world is a swirling cesspool of moral corruption and degradation, with you as the sole shining beacon of light. Of course there could be no other example, for you are the only one!

On a more serious note, your post didn't really add anything to the thread as a whole; the discussion was about what business practices are "fair" and "unfair" for making money through crafting. The implication of your post was that it's immoral to make money through crafting at all - crafters should just give everything away for free! I'm pretty sure crafters who sell for profit are not inherently immoral. Earning money is a necessary part of playing the game, and crafting is one way to do it. Crafting for profit is in itself neither moral nor immoral.

Had I ever seen that kind of behavior before, I WOULD be posting about it, and how it was an inspiration to me.

If I implied myself as a "sole shining beacon of light" and that there would be no others like that ever, I apologize. Everyone has that opportunity to shine, and I encourage it .......... it's just an unreasonable request, I'll concede to that.

I'll admit, I add my opinions through a tone of cynicism in many cases. I may see profiting as extortion to a degree, and perhaps I shouldn't have voiced my opinion about business practices since it's not a popular stance. But the fact that I received requests from people was my "business practice" and what kept me playing while I was subbed. In the future, any outlandish thoughts I have about generosity or friendliness will be confined to its own thread (and die quickly) so I don't disrupt the flow of mainstream profit anymore. I promise.

[Moqi]

I undercut all the time by a gil because I just want to get rid of it. I gather all my mats and I do it because it's fun to me, so it really has no cost, apart from gear repairs. I try to go with the flow but I'll undercut you by a lot if I think the price is unreasonable, I don't really care. If it bother you buy it and resell it. I'm not doing it to get rich anyway.

[Ryuukishi]

I undercut all the time by a gil because I just want to get rid of it.

This is what I do, except by several thousand gil, whenever my retainer brings home some valuable piece of furniture or materia or whatever. I'm not trying to run a business, I'm just trying to clear out my inventory quickly. Leaving a few thousand gil on the table doesn't bother me since I already have more money than I know what to do with. If someone wants to purchase my item and then relist it at a higher price, more power to them.

It mostly just amuses me that someone would get mad at me for listing a materia for 30,000 gil, because that infringes on their right to sell that same materia for the "correct" price of 40,000 gil or whatever.

[NyneAlexander]

This is what I do, except by several thousand gil, whenever my retainer brings home some valuable piece of furniture or materia or whatever. I'm not trying to run a business, I'm just trying to clear out my inventory quickly. Leaving a few thousand gil on the table doesn't bother me since I already have more money than I know what to do with. If someone wants to purchase my item and then relist it at a higher price, more power to them.

Which is exactly how real life works. If you have a warehouse, and all of a sudden, you have a ton of inventory and no room in your warehouse, you will sell under cost.

[Felis]

This is what I do, except by several thousand gil, whenever my retainer brings home some valuable piece of furniture or materia or whatever. I'm not trying to run a business, I'm just trying to clear out my inventory quickly. Leaving a few thousand gil on the table doesn't bother me since I already have more money than I know what to do with. If someone wants to purchase my item and then relist it at a higher price, more power to them.

The quickest way to get it out of the inventory is to selling it to a NPC

[Ryuukishi]

The quickest way to get it out of the inventory is to selling it to a NPC

You might be surprised. LOL I've sold things in less than a minute. You just have to undercut enough.

[Buff_Archer]

The quickest way to get it out of the inventory is to selling it to a NPC

Even quicker way-> Discard. That's how I roll.

[TheCurls]

I'm just trying to clear out my inventory quickly

You do realize that listing something for sale, whether at the price they're currently actively selling at or your ridiculous "I don't like money" undercut price, it no longer takes up a spot in your inventory, right? If you see something selling at 10k dozens of times per day, there is no logical reason to list it at 4k.