I hate CON post 1:18

[Punainen]

I am a rank 50 CON (my thm is currently 39) Did rank 45 raid today and I did not have huge MP issues nor did the other mages. Oh and I wasn't forced to only be a 'Healer' I nuked some too in the dungeon when MP was good. We communicated, used MP conserving and gaining abilities, and played our jobs.

It's a new change, and yes, if you don't watch your MP you can get into trouble SUPER-quick. But really, you shouldn't be able to heal a whole party for the same cost as healing one player. That was a huge problem with the game mechanics. Just like being able to AOE nuke everything is/was a huge problem. Keep in mind, the way parties play in general needs to change. For instance, Tanks and DD's can't just charge in expecting buffs to happen when mob is already engaged and everyone should attempt to equip some version of raise (it's only rank 14 for a reason). And crowd control is a MUST. It will just take us all some time to learn how to play with new MP pool. I understand people being uncomfortable with changes, but these really are for the better AND make way more sense in the long haul.


Also, so far I've had no trouble soloing leves as either my CON or my THM. When people say they took away the 'solo-abilities for Mages' do you mean "We can't kill mobs like the Dodore by ourselves anymore" or "Dude, that normal mob that other classes can handle solo just ate me?" Because if it was the former, yeah, you were never supposed to be able to do that...they fixed a loophole/game development error...if it's the latter, you either need to adjust your stats, your spells or admit you just don't know how to play your job that well.

You must have had a BUNCH of mages in your party...

[Kinseykinz]

You must have had a BUNCH of mages in your party...

on first run we had 7/8 (lancer dc'd upon entering dungeon) We had 2 Glds, 2 Cons, 1 THM, 1 PUG and and 1 Archer. But ranged attackers also fair better in this raid overall when it comes to strategy esp. against Ogre. So 3/8 intending to go on run were mages. 3/7 that made it into dungeon without d/c.

On second run same grouping except that time I dc/d out halfway through

[DivineAyumi]

I am a rank 50 CON (my thm is currently 39) Did rank 45 raid today and I did not have huge MP issues nor did the other mages.......

You said all I had to say to this tread
People just need to adapt and change their way of playing.
The game is no longer the "rush and kill anything you see" - mode anymore... actually, it still is... but not so much like before.
People needs to learn their roles (jobs) and actually play a DD, Tank, Debuffer, etc properly.

[Aeyis]

You said all I had to say to this tread
People just need to adapt and change their way of playing.
The game is no longer the "rush and kill anything you see" - mode anymore... actually, it still is... but not so much like before.
People needs to learn their roles (jobs) and actually play a DD, Tank, Debuffer, etc properly.

What roles? This is the armory system we're talking about~

[Zenaku]

why don't you wait for white mage to come out? class are meant for soloing not party so i can understand why mp goes out quick.

[Amineri]

Finally got a chance to play around with Conjurer in a group. My take on this is that Conjurer isn't main healer any more. Sure CON got access to the Curaga line, but they are too expensive to make CON a "main healer". This pretty much means that FFXIV does not have a main healer right now. The tasks of healing and damage mitigation need to be spread around the party.

In my eyes, Conjurer is an "elemental mage". I've had more success using Stoneskin II to mitigate damage. It's cheap (only 24 MP), seems to absorb around 400 damage, and can be AoEed onto the whole party for no extra MP cost. Recast is so-so at 30 seconds, but it's better then running out of MP from trying to spam cures.

To give more concrete examples, I was duoing with a MRD. I relied on him to use Bloodbath II and Second Wind. The combination of those two abilities, with my casting Stoneskin as it came up (every 30 seconds), and an occasional Cure II from me. Rank 60 stuff I'd almost never have to use a Cure. Rank 65 and up was more challenging, for sure. We fought one Rank 69 eft (early on in the experimentation stage) and failed, because I was being a bit too conservative with the MP (trying to maintain for multiple fights), and one big TP move dropped him .

I also need to check on this, but I'm going to look more into Ethers ... it's possible that the re-use timer was dropped. I used an ether, and then was immediately able to use a potion with no cooldown. Still only gave back 50 MP, and stacks to 12, but, might get me through til the jobs come out.

[HappyWappy]

I began leveling CON because I have always loved BLM in all FF games especially FF11. CON seemed to be the obvious BLM of the game to me so I went with it. Sadly I feel that so far CON is a DEEP dissapointment to my original hopes for the class. I don't dislike healing I even leveled THM (at the time under the impression that it was the healing class) but I love elemental nuking and always have. Am I the only person that just feels like there is no actualy elemental nuking job possible in the current format of this game?

[Atoli]

My main class is CON too, and although I complained a lot about the MP cost changes when I read the patch notes (while I was still downloading), now that I've played for a while, I noticed..I get by with these kind of MP costs.
Maybe I always was careful with my MP management, I don't know, but I don't run out of MP as fast as I expected.
The only annoying part about it are the long pauses I need between fights to recover MP..that's why I think those changes were too drastic, but overall a good idea.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Also just a thought since I haven't played much since the patch.

But anyone tried to use the spirit dart on cooldown (like every 10sec I think) and when enough TP use a MP recovering ability? I think people should test more stuff and experiment before coming to the boards and make threats about quiting.

[Punainen]

Also just a thought since I haven't played much since the patch.

But anyone tried to use the spirit dart on cooldown (like every 10sec I think) and when enough TP use a MP recovering ability? I think people should test more stuff and experiment before coming to the boards and make threats about quiting.

Of course we tried that. NOT using radience is just irresponsible. But It gives 15 MP at best. And thats not nearly enough because gaining TP as a mage is hard.