SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Emonzaemon]

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants. If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two. This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway. Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

You're my new best friend, I'm going to take your advice, because I know I've proven him wrong on multiple occasions but he just wants to tell me I'm missing some point he's trying to make when he doesn't actually have one, because like you and I both said he's taking it out of context and shutting his ears to everything else. Thanks friend, I love you. <4444 (I initially typed <4444, then realized I didn't type <33333, so I changed it back to <4444 cuz I <4 you.)

Also, I don't see how Abriael is trolling if he's telling you why you're wrong.

[Abriael]

Also, I don't see how Abriael is trolling if he's telling you why you're wrong.

Calling a troll someone whose argument you cannot counter is a common forum trick. Never works, but people with poor debating skills always try.

[TheVedis]

Ok lets look at some cold hard facts about SP gain pre and post patch


Pre patch

Behest: 6-8k per hour if you did both available at "most ranks"(i say most cuz at extreme low ranks you got alot more)
Leves: 50k per hour using the fail trick, for 2 hours tops each cycle(you ended up gettign 100k total) or you can do them for 2-3 hours normaly and get 60k or so sp tops with just anyone who wants to go
Grinding: 25-35k per hour, with very few places to be able to do it

Post patch

Behest: 4-5k per hour
Leves: 20-30k per hour, still limited based on the ammount you can take
Grinding: 25-35k per hour, with ALOT more spots to do it in then pre patch

[Kensei]

Abriael, I gotta suggest you just let it be and let Kensei tell himself whatever he wants.

Yes and as should have you if you have nothing to contribute to the topic's point.

If he hasn't seen the error in his assertions by now - after over 80 pages - he's never going to.

It is him and his supporters who have yet to understand and yeah you guys won't understand because the facts don't matter to any of you. All that matters is trying to prove me wrong by any means.

At this point, he's playing semantics, crying "nerf!" over what most everyone else recognizes as balancing of sp across multiple activites instead of having most of it come from one or two.

If the balancing slowed the speed of SP/hour then ranking up was nerfed and we were lied to. It doesn't take a genius to understand that.

This is exactly what Yoshi said would happen, and the only people who seem to not realize this are Kensei and the few defenders he's had in this thread.

Nope this is what Yoshi said wouldn't happen:

"Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no."

And it did so we were lied to.

Anyone with a shred of common-sense and honesty can look at the situation, look at the numbers that you and several others have presented, compare them to pre-patch figures and see that, overall, sp gain has either increased, or at best remained mostly level.

Where are these verifiable numbers you speak of? Oh that's right. They are just claims yet you act as if they were fact.

I've seen it time and again... when people are discussing specific activities, it's described as the sp/hr has either increased, or decreased overall. I saw the same thing in my LS discussion last night. When you look at sp gain across the board (ie. ranking up) it's remained more or less balanced.

It's not a question of balance, it's a question of whether or not it is slower now, and it is.

On balance, the rate at which sp can be gained has not changed all that much, unless you're someone like Kensei who insists on sticking to one or two activities.

If you had read you would have seen my posts about EVERY activity that awards SP. They are all slower. The best sp/hour after the patch is grinding which is what I've been doing. I discussed my results with another poster a couple of pages back but you clearly don't read.

Kensei is stuck on the Behest/Leve thing and ignoring all other options at this point because he *has* to. Being willfully ignorant and ignoring any evidence to the contrary is the only way in which he can continue claiming that he was somehow lied to. He's played his victim card and is clinging to it for all its worth.

I have only done behest and leves once after the patch and never again after seeing the miserable SP they now provide. I now grind which is the fastest choice post-patch. It is still slower than what could be achieved pre-patch. I'm not a victim here nor am I playing one. I just don't like being told false information.

It can't be explained to him any more clearly than it already has, with actual numbers and figures, by people who have far more hands-on experience in the game than he has. He's not listening. His mind and "ears" are shut to anything other than what he's committed to believing.

Again what actual numbers and figures? For them to be actual they have to be verified, not claimed. On the other hand many have posted the same results as me that it has been slowed down.

It's like listening to damn politicians and pundits on some cable news station. It goes something like this (as a made-up example)...
Pundit A: "Because the president wants to increase taxes by 10%, it will become more difficult for middle-class and lower families to survive.
Pundit B: That's nonsense because there is no such plan to increase taxes. What the president actually said is "provides direct quote that Pundit A is taking out of context". So, no, there is no plan to increase taxes, at all, much less by 10%"
Pundit A: In addition, the president raising taxes by 10% is going to result in schools having to cut things like music and sports because they won't have enough money. America's children will not be able to partake in or be educated in such activities."
Pundit B: Again, false claim based on a fallacious premise... There is no such plan to raise the taxes. Here is another source, directly from the president stating otherwise."
Pundit A: Even worse, because the president is raising taxes by 10%..."

And so on. Pundit A would clearly be Kensei in this case. No matter how much evidence is shown to him that undermines his entire claim, he just continues on repeating the same mantra over and over and over.

Terrible example. You clearly know nothing and have no interest in knowing. No verifiable proof has been given to prove me wrong other than claims. You can't take what people say by faith my friend, or you are gonna be ripped off and taken advantage of many times in life.

It's a lost cause trying to reason with someone who obviously doesn't want to be reasonable.

There's nothing to reason. SP/hour is slower. We were lied. Very simple.

Best thing to do at this point, honestly, is let Kensei believe what he wants, because he's clearly going to anyway.

I stick with the facts so we are definitely not gonna agree so why do you guys keep beating on the dead horse?

Let the thread die and be buried already. It's already been given far more attention than it warrants.

Funny you should say that. It's because of posts like yours and those you support that add nothing to the threads point that it keeps getting bumped.

[Kensei]

WHAT DON'T YOU GET? YOU WEREN'T LIED TO, YOU'RE FATHER HASN'T ABANDONED YOU. HE DIDN'T WALK OUT ON YOU, NO TRUST WAS BROKEN, CHILL OUT.

He said ranking up wouldn't be nerfed and it was. That's a lie my friend.

[Kensei]

Have fun in a game isn't the point? Oh dear god, why the hell do you even play?

I meant having fun is not the point of the topic. I thought that was obvious. The point is the lie.

[Xophious]

Greetings everyone!

We appreciate everyone taking the time to post their suggestions and complaints in this thread. Although we do not reply to individual posts, we do review the thread and forward any feedback that can make the game better overall. As long as a thread can stay constructive without any personal attacks or vulgar language then it will stay open for discussion. The thread seemed to have turned into players arguing amongst each other so it will be closed now. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

- Xophious