SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Bled]

Alot of people here only played XI and they only know one way. Grind till cap with barely any content and once you're there get gear. New gen MMO's are moving toward doing more and more content as you go to get away from his and give the user far more enjoyable experience. Quests are a big part of that but as it is in 14 they already a fail. Though it's nice to see SP reward for completing them, it's still far too difficult to seek out the quest and than finish it to claim your reward. It's a time sink that doesnt reward appropriately for the time or effort spent and you're better of just soloing mobs instead.

I have played a large number of MMO's and last i checked they all had a grind, some focused in other ways then others.

WOW- grind off of mobs or turn in an obscure amount of boring quests.

FFXI- party grind mobs (which i didn't mind, made a lot of friends and there was a lot of accountability in knowing your job)

AION- same as WoW

RIFT- same as WoW

DCUO- so far i have had the most fun with the grind in this game, but it was more difficult to make friends because all content was solo able.

If these are not your next gen MMO's and you are referring to Guild Wars 2, Blade and Soul, SWTOR, and so on they are not even release yet, so lets not count our chickens just yet.

[KaiKatzchen]

I got about 25K on my Alchemist and about 45k on my Archer from doing quests and leves today.

[Firon]

What i know is whats the difference between grinding leves and open world mobs or grinding raids please tell me the difference, you are just masking the grind is all

[Charismatic]

What i know is whats the difference between grinding leves and open world mobs or grinding raids please tell me the difference, you are just masking the grind is all

The human condition is what makes them different. I mean, hey... we could just eat pepperoni pizza 3 meals a day every day and take supplement pills for the rest of our nutrients, that's no different than a variety of foods, right?

[Firon]

The human condition is what makes them different. I mean, hey... we could just eat pepperoni pizza 3 meals a day every day and take supplement pills for the rest of our nutrients, that's no different than a variety of foods, right?

you still didn't answer my question tho you just used some stupid apology that doesn't make sense...OK one more tell....me...the...difference.

[Pyrix]

you still didn't answer my question tho you just used some stupid apology that doesn't make sense...OK one more tell....me...the...difference.

You kill different monsters making it less monotonous and you get a gil reward and faction points to spend on faction leves.

[Exitusworld]

dont forget having to eat and go to the bathroom...that takes time

[LuxLex]

Man, I am not saying leves are great. I am saying the last thing this game needed to do was make leves crappier and add more grind.

[Firon]

Man, I am not saying leves are great. I am saying the last thing this game needed to do was make leves crappier and add more grind.

Listen what i'm asking is whats the difference between spending 5 hrs doing leves and 5 hrs grinding mobs? You are still grinding mobs is all i'm saying

[Exitusworld]

i think the patch was a step in right direction and u consider all they changed to make it, there was bound to be some loose ends. its also not like were paying yet and its a game thats gonna go for a good 10-12y so we still got an advantage. im sad they nerfed behest sense my LS is mostly higher lvls then me and im forced to solo or no go. its nice now that i can run around and grind and not be bogged down by fatigue, but if there trying to make party's a thing again, which would be cool, then there gonna havto make mobs chase you accross map again.

im hoping this makes more people use the seeking party function, sense before it was eather shouting in a city(ul dah, nobodys in other citys) or partying with LS mates. i get maybe 3k solo sp leves and had a random nice behest pt that become leve pt and was getting at least double so...no leve link btw.