SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[LuxLex]

There was no reason to nerf solo SP from leves. It is just senseless.

[LuxLex]

"You're too low level to judge"

Well, funny, cause if SE wants to relaunch this for new players, I don't think that excuse is going to make potential subscribers go

"Oh, I guess I will keep paying to play even if this seems like a boring, grindy, crappy game, because some dude who got to rank 50 by failing leves every reset told me I am too low level to judge."

[Abriael]

"You're too low level to judge"

Well, funny, cause if SE wants to relaunch this for new players, I don't think that excuse is going to make potential subscribers go

"Oh, I guess I will keep paying to play even if this seems like a boring, grindy, crappy game, because some dude who got to rank 50 by failing leves every reset told me I am too low level to judge."

You simply don't have the knowledge to argue the level curve, you HAVE NOT seen it ergo you're basing your arguments over nothing.

I have, twice. Mind you, you continue to repeat like a mantra that we already have level 50s, but we're all actively leveling lower level classes now.
Void argument is void and pointless.

[LuxLex]

I see you don't challenge me on the auto-failing of leves. That is how you got to 50 isn't it?

Since I've gotten all of my levels (on multiple jobs) the legit way, I think I know a hell of a lot more about the SP curve than you.

[Abriael]

I see you don't challenge me on the auto-failing of leves. That is how you got to 50 isn't it?

Actually i got my first 50 when auto failing leves was not even on the horizon (and leveling was MUCH, MUCH harder than it is now or before the patch), and got my second mostly with grind parties. Sorry mate, as usual you base your arguments on wild and baseless assumptions.

Since I've gotten all of my levels (on multiple jobs) the legit way, I think I know a hell of a lot more about the SP curve than you.

I'll have you know that at level 33 you haven't even see HALF of the leveling curve. Yes, you're not even half way, and you just did the easiest part. Hope that doesn't shock you.

So now it turns out only those who get to R50 and finish leveling can judge leveling and those still ranking up dealing with it on a daily basis know nothing. The idiocy of some people is mind-boggling.

Indeed it is, especially when someone thinks he can argue (in a rather antagonistic, rude and basically libelous way, by the way) about something he didn't experience and quite evidently know very little about.

You're doing nothing else than talking in wild assumptions and hearsay, because you didn't experience what you're talking about at all.

[Kensei]

So now it turns out only those who get to R50 and finish leveling can judge leveling and those still ranking up dealing with it on a daily basis know nothing. The idiocy of some people is mind-boggling.

[LuxLex]

No, man I can look at a graph of SP. I don't need to waste my life doing it to see it there. I also have leveled a lot of jobs, not just my thm, though it is the highest (one level higher than my alchemy).

[Charismatic]

Doesn't matter one bit who has done what in the past as far as leveling is concerned because NONE OF THAT IS VALID ANYMORE.
What matters is what the SP is like now. What I can tell you now is that group grinding blows all the other options out of the water in the 20s at the very least. There's literally no point to even bothering with guildleves and behests because in the time it takes to go get the leve then go back to the camp you could be killing stuff and grouping with other folks you see killing and getting more SP than you'd have gotten from the leve in the same amount of time and then there's the fact that grinding is sustained EXP. You don't run out of 'grind leves', you just keep killing. Unless you want guild marks you are wasting your time.

[Abriael]

No, man I can look at a graph of SP. I don't need to waste my life doing it to see it there. I also have leveled a lot of jobs, not just my thm, though it is the highest (one level higher than my alchemy).

Leveling "a lot of jobs" gives you no experience of the whole level curve, considering that it changes a LOT from level 35 onwards. You lack experience, and are arguing over hearsay.

Doesn't matter one bit who has done what in the past as far as leveling is concerned because NONE OF THAT IS VALID ANYMORE.
What matters is what the SP is like now. What I can tell you now is that group grinding blows all the other options out of the water in the 20s at the very least. There's literally no point to even bothering with guildleves and behests because in the time it takes to go get the leve then go back to the camp you could be killing stuff and grouping with other folks you see killing and getting more SP than you'd have gotten from the leve in the same amount of time and then there's the fact that grinding is sustained EXP. You don't run out of 'grind leves', you just keep killing. Unless you want guild marks you are wasting your time.

Soorry, but this is bull. This whole thread is about the comparison between how the leveling curve was before and how it is now. If someone has NOT experienced the previous leveling curve, he lacks the tools to discuss this with any knowledge.

The point of bothering with guildleves and behests is that they're a very viable way of leveling when you don't have the time or will to get a party. That's quite a big point.

[Charismatic]

So... what exactly in my post was wrong? I didn't say anything at all that disagrees with what you just said.
Stop being so busy saying wrong wrong wrong that you don't even read the content of a post... that aside, read the edit I just made while you're at it.