SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Black_Rose]

500 replies to an obviously change in SP gain, what's this discussion about?
SP didn't get nerfed, instead they enhanched the SP from some enemies like the tribe while grinding, and totally killed leves off.
still, the current amount of SP u can grind in 2 hours, doesn't equal the amount of SP you could get from leve linking.

i don't like it, but what the fuck did we expect?
this is SE after all we're talking about.

i'll enjoy my next days in a single camp, grinding for hours to get my levels now, sure is more exciting than doing leves with my ls mates, yay.

/sarcasm

[Serio]

500 replies to an obviously change in SP gain, what's this discussion about?
SP didn't get nerfed, instead they enhanched the SP from some enemies like the tribe while grinding, and totally killed leves off.
still, the current amount of SP u can grind in 2 hours, doesn't equal the amount of SP you could get from leve linking.

i don't like it, but what the fuck did we expect?
this is SE after all we're talking about.

i'll enjoy my next days in a single camp, grinding for hours to get my levels now, sure is more exciting than doing leves with my ls mates, yay.

/sarcasm

I agree. I think that the whole idea was to keep the amount of time they expected a player to take to reach rank 50. Yoshi said it was like a couple months or something, if i'm not mistaken. Well, they took off fatigue, but basically made "raptor parties" available to more than just rank 45 players. This is because the beastmen that they put all over have the same base sp as raptors.

What they seemed to do to leves is keep the same base sp, but without Aspect (sort of). This is because Aspect used to be +50% bonus on top of leve link bonus (max @ +150%, pre-1.18). But now aspect seems to add +50% to the Rewarded SP at the end.

The bonus at the end, however, seems totally disproportionate in comparison to difference in leve difficulty and difference in mob-player rank difference. Which basically means that lower rank leves suck in comparison to higher rank. Basically a reward for simply Being high rank, much like there's a sp bonus for being low rank. So the swelling point then becomes the mid level range.

[LuxLex]

Yes, I sure am glad we are seeing design principles that were fail in 2002 be applied to a game in 2011

[LuxLex]

because grinding the same mob over and over again is not mindless repetition?

Yeah, okay.

At least leves have a little variety.

[Elkwood]

because grinding the same mob over and over again is not mindless repetition?

Yeah, okay.

At least leves have a little variety.

Just cause you suck at the game dont bring others down

[Black_Rose]

Just cause you suck at the game dont bring others down

this has nothing to do with "bringing others down"
it's obvious that leves atleast gave a meaning to SPing, while grinding is allways the same.

i was spending 2 hours today killing tribes with friends at an outpost, and i feel like not wanting to log in anymore (for the first time since the alpha)

tell me, would it have been so terrible to leave the Leve system as it was untill enough content is there to replace it, and just enhance SP gain from grinding to make it more appealing for those wishing to do more then just wait 36 hrs to gain SP again?

this whole change on the leve system was rushed, and they should have waited for this change untill we had enough other things to enjoy.

but now all we do is grind only, which is ways more terrible then doing leves.

[Abriael]

because grinding the same mob over and over again is not mindless repetition?

Yeah, okay.

At least leves have a little variety.

The problem with your flawed argument (interesting that you couldn't reply to the whole rest of my post, probably because you're out of argument to defend your indifensible and illogical position), is that the current system encourages the player to do EVERYTHING. Behest, Guildleves, Group Grinding, Quests, Story quests, dungeons... Each one of those activities gives good rewards, and the cooldowns mean that constant SP gain requires or at least encourages variation.

And that has a LOT more variety than leves and behest alone.

Ah, everyone who has posted in this thread with concerns

There's a big and broad difference between "concerns" and mindless, irrational whines in denial of any kind of useful information given by others because such information makes the aforementioned whines moot.

[Charismatic]

encourages the player to do EVERYTHING.

LOL!
No it doesn't. It encourages the player to do group grinding... quests and story quests are a one time thing. You get em done on one class and BOOM no more of that.
So when you want to rank up a second class all you have left is group grinding because it blows behest and leves out of the water like leves used to do to group grinding.

All that's been done is they turned the game on its head. Instead of one, you do the other... only this time it's the more boring one.

[LuxLex]

Ah, everyone who has posted in this thread with concerns - never fear! Elkwood has figured out that "we suck" and that is why we feel cheated and lied to.

What a brilliant assessment of the situation. I am guessing that anyone who was brand new picking up the game - they wouldn't "suck" at all, and so they would TOTALLY LOVE the game the way it is.

[KaiKatzchen]

Ah, everyone who has posted in this thread with concerns - never fear! Elkwood has figured out that "we suck" and that is why we feel cheated and lied to.

I didn't see a 'we' in there, he said you.



And to be honest I've trying the alternative ways of getting SP and I haven't done too bad. One quest I did gave me 19k for completion. As I've said, I don't 100% agree with all changes SE makes, but I'm also not gonna complain about the first of three patches that will complete the balancing.

It's not done people. -_-