SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Loony_BoB]

Perhaps you could look at it this way. The SP on average over multiple methods of gaining was balanced. At the same time, an exploit was fixed. If you were not exploiting, there was no nerfing. If you were exploiting, it was nerfed. I do believe that balancing will continue until we are at a point that is reasonable. Not everyone will agree on what is a nerf and what is a exploit-fix, but in the end some people will have to take more than 24 hours before they come up with a method that allows for maximum SP gain. It's entirely possible that there is simply a new method that you haven't figured out yet. But you made this thread at 12:50am this morning, which I believe is almost exactly 24 hours after the changes. I think it's impossible to try every possible method of gaining SP using every possible variation of level variance, group quantity, battle tactics etc. in that short a time to establish that it is a 100% positive nerf, especially if you've spent a large amount of that time making "Kensei mad!" posts in this thread.

Just go have another shot, see if you can come up with new methods, try new things, see how it all works out. And remember, in the end, the race is long, and it was this long race that Yoshi was talking of when he spoke of nerfing. He never said "in this specific patch we will not downgrade the amount of SP you can gain". He said he won't - over the complete time of development to the point that he is happy with where the game is at - nerf the ranking up process. So, give it time, be patient. If you are unable to do that, perhaps you should look elsewhere for a little while and come back in maybe a month or two. I hope you find enjoyment in the game by then, and I hope that enjoyment will not be dictated by the speed of your SP gains but by the amount of fun you have while developing your character and socialising. All the best, Kensei, although I do feel you are perhaps a little more angsty than you might think and perhaps you should just relax and see how things play out.

In short: The race is long, keep having a go and if you can't be happy with things as they stand, maybe come back after next patch and have another shot. It's cool, man, you and I both can do other things in this world if the game isn't ready for us yet.

[LuxLex]

I didn't see yoshi say "Solo SP will suck after the next update" he said "Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no. "

I don't know how you can look at that quote and claim yoshi didn't promise not to nerf SP.

[Abriael]

I didn't see yoshi say "Solo SP will suck after the next update"

And in fact it didn't happen. What happens is that ONE method of gaining SP has been rebalanced, adn some mouthy newbie is falsely accusing a developer of lying because that ONE method happens to be his favourite.

Which of coure is completely illogical.

[Neptune]

I just partied with some friends levels 36-41 at the Ixalia camp near halitali last night and was making 301-360 sp per kill.

Oh God, what is this back to grinding mobs like FFXI in 2011? Good job dev team.

i officially call this era of FFXIV the "Thanalan dust bowl era" where we have more modes of messed up targeting than we do ways to level.

lol. sad but true.

[Reika]

Oh God, what is this back to grinding mobs like FFXI in 2011? Good job dev team.



lol. sad but true.

Ive been thinkin for the longest that they were going to go the way of FFXI-2 in many ways...

[LuxLex]

Oh God, what is this back to grinding mobs like FFXI in 2011? Good job dev team.

Yeah, especially concerning since the XI dev team has moved away from "punish the playerbase" to "hey, playing a game should be fun"

[Abriael]

Yeah, especially concerning since the XI dev team has moved away from "punish the playerbase" to "hey, playing a game should be fun"

Someone has missed the fact that guildleves and behests are nothing else than grinding mobs.

Don't want to grind mobs? Do quests and raids.

[Aldarin]

So I'll be completely blunt about what I have found in the current situation. Before 1.18 the easiest way for me to level a level 20 character was by doing solo leves and behest. This was not using any sort of cheat, trick, or glitch. I simply would do a behest, wait 10 minutes, and do another one. With the amount of xp I earned I leveled pug 20 to 25 in about 8 hours. This was because behest gave an average of about 9-10k experience per run. Leves gave a similar amount of xp when soloing them with enemies 5-10 levels over my rank. Then the patch came. I am honestly quite pleased with many of the changes, and while I might not like the healing mp increase I can deal with that. On the other hand, I grabbed 3 leves and went to go do behest. behest now gives about 3k xp, as do the leves. this is actually about the same as if I simply was grinding on mobs, and is about 3 times slower than before. So whereas before the 4 hours I sent would have gotten me to about level 23, I'm sitting here at level 21 wondering what happened to all my sp. So please, enough with the random bullshit about how much sp you can earn if you do the leves the right way, or party correctly. Players should not need to figure out the secret of the game just to get decent experience.

And while I agree that the concept of moving the bonuses to the end of leves and behest is a good idea, the simple fact is that the sum of xp earned during a leve or behest is not equal to the that of a leve or behest before the patch. If SE simply balanced that then I would have no issues with the changes that were made.

For a simple breakdown

Pre-1.18
10 mobs/leve, 720sp per mob = 7200sp/leve
20 mobs/behest, 400sp/mob = 8000sp/behest

sp gained from 3 leves: 21600sp
sp/hour from behest: 16000sp

Post-1.18
10 mobs/leve, 200sp per mob + 2k bonus = 4000sp/leve
20 mobs/behest, 200sp/mob + 1k bonus = 5000sp/leve, + behest can only be done every other time.

sp gained from 3 leves: 12000sp
sp/hr from behest: 5000sp

so all in all, I gain sp at a rate about 2-3 times slower than before.

[Abriael]

Pre-1.18
10 mobs/leve, 720sp per mob = 7200sp/leve.

sp gained from 3 leves: 21600sp

Only with a few select leves, all the others gave MUCH less. So the average was much lower.

20 mobs/behest, 400sp/mob = 8000sp/behest

Almost impossible to get more than 200 SP per mob in behest past level 35 (and it's very, very rare even past level 25). 400 is Sci-fi.

Looks like someone's on to warp the facts to try (and fail) to back Kensei's false claims.

Funny how it's someone else that didn't even get past the first half of the leveling curve.

[Nexadus]

SP is obviously a problem now. If it wasn't a problem then this thread would of died ages ago.