SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[SuzakuCMX]

I never claimed otherwise but camp grinding is worse now. You get less SP per kill than pre patch.

Behest isn't camp grinding.

[Neko_Yanagi]

Going to say this, then drop it because I hate getting involved in these pathetic debates with trolls. Yoshi-P provided SEVERAL NEW WAYS to get sp. He had to decrease it in leves and behests to make up for the additional ways of receiving sp. Sounds like you can use some help identifying the different ways you can receive sp now, so allow me to enlighten you.

Guild Tasks (5k a day if you can hit all the guilds, team up with friends or LS mates and share teleports)
Leves (grouping up with friends or LS mates can help you get the most outta Leves, but solo isn't bad either)
Behests (Try areas that aren't used very often, there is a bonus for that)
Dungeons
Grinding (the new beastmen camps are fun to grind at, and more mobs added just about everywhere)
Side Quests (Very nice bonuses for these now)

There may be even more, but this is what I could think of off the top of my head. I personally have used all of these methods, some I prefer over other but I like having the options. And this is just for the Battle Classes, take a break and do some gathering (gathering leves are AWESOME now). Relax and enjoy the game. And if you're stressing over the changes, maybe this game isn't for you.... Because honestly we don't need players that only complain and are too lazy or impatient to try to improve the way they play.

[Lokiie1984]

I get that this sp hit is just a step towards something greater, maybe even the game saving thing every one is hoping for. I also get that leves are supposed to be the side exp to do when you are bored or dont have much time. So they arnt the main source of exp now. But it seems to me that they removed the main source (behests an leves) and didnt add in anything to counter balance that other then the same old grind on boring mobs. So while being a step in the right direction, it also feels like a step backwards until the next patches, which could be what? Three months from now?

This patch does seem like a foundation sure, but i think they should have maybe released more stuff to do with SP at the same time rather then giving us this SP drought for three plus months. So far my choices for exp seems to be, a very limited supply of quests, a very limited supply of leves, or an over abundance of very boring grinding mobs. At least until 25 for that first instance.

[SHJcules]

Well for a lot of people, myself included, leves are a majority of their SP grind. This seems to be the group he wanted to cater to first. I'm not going to comment on grouping and world hunting until Yoshi actually puts forth those systems and addresses group play more. Hopefully 1.19!

All the solo leves I did though gave me more than enough SP to sustain me and keep me progressing. Did some 3 star rank40 camps on my r48 GLA, and they each gave a 4-6k bonus. And then I went to play in gridania at r41, and two starred the r40 camps. All the mobs were within 1-5ranks and gave decent Sp and a nice reward for playing efficiently, and not having to overwork myself soloing mobs at +10 ranks for a few measly k like used to be the case.

[Bled]

What was taken away from one thing was added to another, people QQ'ing over leves/behests have just gotten so used to pigeonholing them selves to one form of SP gaining. Look for alternatives if you want the fastest form of leveling, they are there and keep in mind (its been said before) Surplus is GONE! they had to make leveling more evenly sustained.

If the same SP system was still in place and there was no surplus this game would be on par with the difficulty of Hello Kitty Adventure.

[MookiesPM75]

What was taken away from one thing was added to another, people QQ'ing over leves/behests have just gotten so used to pigeonholing them selves to one form of SP gaining. Look for alternatives if you want the fastest form of leveling, they are there and keep in mind (its been said before) Surplus is GONE! they had to make leveling more evenly sustained.

If the same SP system was still in place and there was no surplus this game would be on par with the difficulty of Hello Kitty Adventure.

Uhhh I'd rather get my game difficulty from encounters and not leveling up. Leveling is nothing more than a time sink and has more to do with patience than difficulty. And as things stand I doubt I have the patience to continue playing a game that was just re-broken.

[SuzakuCMX]

Uhhh I'd rather get my game difficulty from encounters and not leveling up.

Oh look, dungeons.

EDIT: And NMs are harder.

[Kensei]

What was taken away from one thing was added to another, people QQ'ing over leves/behests have just gotten so used to pigeonholing them selves to one form of SP gaining. Look for alternatives if you want the fastest form of leveling, they are there and keep in mind (its been said before) Surplus is GONE! they had to make leveling more evenly sustained.

If the same SP system was still in place and there was no surplus this game would be on par with the difficulty of Hello Kitty Adventure.

Friend, I'm not saying I can't get any SP. Of course I can. Just at 1/4 the speed I used to which is the point of the thread along with showing how Yoshi said SP wouldn't be nerfed and that's exactly what he did. As for the surplus argument, the sad part is I used to get more SP while fatigued in behest than I do now without fatigue. That goes to show you how much it was nerfed.

[Abriael]

I wonder how many people Kensei needs to tell him that he's dead wrong before he understands that

It's very easy to say 1.18 is awesome when you have a R50 ranked up pre-patch. The rest of us will take about 3 times as long if not more to get there.

You know that most of us don't stop at the first or second 50 right?

If any, you have it easy, because you didn't already do most of the story/side quests getting nothing from them.

[Kensei]

I wonder how many people Kensei needs to tell him that he's dead wrong before he understands that



You know that most of us don't stop at the first or second 50 right?

If any, you have it easy, because you didn't already do most of the story/side quests getting nothing from them.

Nobody has proved me wrong. All they can say is "oh but I got 5k SP that one time in that leve! it's the same!". Meaning they don't understand how much slower ranking up is now. I am well aware that most people rank up multiple classes but with a R50 you can already access all the content in the game. So you have all the time in the world to rank the others little by little and can just use your R50 for NMs, the 45 dungeon etc. It's a much more comfortable position.