Brayflox's Longstop (Hard) SpeedRun Problem

[SecsyMancat]

Supply and demand buddy. Make yourself useful, make your own group, or use other methods. Se isn't going to change this because although DRG/MNK/SMN may have a harder time speed running there are plenty of other ways to get tomes. I know plenty of people with their Animus who never once speed ran Brayflox HM. I'm sure with the introduction of hunts within a month or two I'll be able to say the same about Novus. If you feel you "OMG have to have the shinies" right now. Take an in demand class and get it to i90. Thgat's what I leveled my WAR for, and outside of raid content it's become my group play class of choice.

[Grotesque]

A BLM+DRG combo is as viable as BLM+BRD, given DRG and Tank synergize a bit. The few seconds you may lose on the AOE pulls are saved on the bosses when the drg shove their sticks up their asses. But yeah common ppl are dumb dicks n bricks. Friends and FC members for speed runs are way more fun to run with.

[Kimura410]

A BLM+DRG combo is as viable as BLM+BRD, given DRG and Tank synergize a bit. The few seconds you may lose on the AOE pulls are saved on the bosses when the drg shove their sticks up their asses. But yeah common ppl are dumb dicks n bricks. Friends and FC members for speed runs are way more fun to run with.

exactly, one of the fastest runs I've ever done was blm/monk and blm/drg. a monk can spam rock breaker while in perfect balance, and a dragoon has some damn good aoes as well (can think of the abilities name). then they beat the shit out of the bosses.

i personally set up parties for bard/blm only though, because I'm worried ill get a melee who doesn't know how to aoe effectively. if its a fc mate, i know he will bring the heat. melees are damn good at speed running. pug melees are hit and miss though.

[TomTom1968]

Patch 2.2 and especially the Design of the Brayflox HM dungeon took care that melees are not the top choice for speed runs. Who knows, next patch maybe Dragoons/Monks get their chance and BLM/BRD are left out. I see no problem with the Design, Brayflox is beatable by any class. But if the people on Party Finder aiming for several runs want these runs to be as quick as possible, you can't really blame them.

You notice the difference when melees are in your group. Quickest is 2x BLM, then BLM and Bard and then long, long nothing. Having a Dragoon or Monk in the group IS taking care that a run takes 2 minutes longer. If you plan to make 10 runs, that's already 20 minutes we are talking about which equals 4 runs and 200 Myth more or not. Do the math.

[IzumiRaito]

Level and gear up an alt. Its as simple as that.

[Ryuko]

I once did a Brayflox full soldiery run with DRG + SMN (two classes people don't want to have for a SR)... we finished just two minutes later than my fastest SR (which was 8 minutes with BRD + SMN btw). It's funny because I have BLM, and so when I see those groups I am always forced to play BLM because people don't want SMN (Just 2x Blm or BLM/BRD)... although the thing people don't realize is certain classes (like SMN, MNK, DRG) make up for their lack of crazy AoE damage by absolutely destroying the bosses. That's the reason people are okay with BLM/BRD btw. BRD will not do as much damage as a BLM on AoEs, but BRD will do better damage with single-target. In other words, there is a tradeoff between AoE and single-target advantages, and people of equal skill/gear will clear a full soldiery run of Brayflox within roughly the same estimated time, although there may be a few minutes of difference depending on which class combination you bring.

As always, there are stereotypes that people cling to about what jobs are and aren't capable of doing something. Right now, your class is the 'underdog' when it comes to this particular situation. Hopefully you will make some friends who don't cling to the stereotypes while you are farming your myth.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I personally find it sad that the majority of answers here are essentially "well play a different class". So basically, his choice of class is invalid and he must play classes that other people dictate he should play? Is that it?

If anything OP, this alone should be reason not to bother speed running. If you can't play the class you want, the class you chose, leveled, put your time and effort into, then it's simply not worth doing. Yes, it helps to have alternate classes - the system was designed the way it was for maximum flexibility, but if you can't play your main just to speed run, then do everything BUT speed run. There's plenty of other areas where your class/job shine and are wanted.

And for all else who said to play a different class, let there be NO complaints when it's your class' turn to be excluded.

[NaliaBrown]

I don't farm Brayflox for myth not because my main is a Dragoon, but because I can't stand doing the same thing over and over again. I need variety!

Though, I should point out, my fastest ever Brayflox run was with a WAR tank, me as DRG, SCH, and SMN. Amazing DPS. And Dragoons can AoE! They just have to know how to position properly for Doom Spike and remember to use Invigorate.

I agree that the whole "play a different class" is a horrible response to this topic. Every party is viable for a speed run assuming everyone is sufficiently geared and knows how to optimize DPS rotations.

[Sairii]

he must play classes that other people dictate he should play?

No he must not. It´s his choice.
He can make his own PF group as drg and get people in.
But if I make a group and dont want a drg then so be it.
If I make a group saying you are not allowed to wear pants then so be it.
You can either join and obey or make your own party with shirts off instead of pants.

If you think dragoon is a good way to run it then run it with your own party.
From my experience BLM+Bard / double BLM is just faster and why should I take longer than necessary?

Make your own groups.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you think dragoon is a good way to run it then run it with your own party.
From my experience BLM+Bard / double BLM is just faster and why should I take longer than necessary?

Make your own groups.

I am well aware of the options he has. I was challenging those who answered and basically said "play a different class". Personally, I chose not to run Brayflox HM at all. Because I don't want to. Because I don't NEED to. So I don't even join or make parties for it. The obsession with not only speed running the dungeon, but now doing it as fast as possible (thus only taking specific classes) is encouraging class discriminations. Sure, you make a party, you call the shots. But beyond that, when it's your class/job's turn to be frequently excluded from content - and not for legitimately underperforming or lacking useful tools for said content - let's see you still take that same stance on the matter.