It is a rather welcome thing that so many want to help others in DF, etc in this game. Unfortunately some people simply don't want the help.

Not really sure how this thread ballooned like it did- bad players are bad, and most people should agree that there is a very basic way to play the game. There is in fact a very basic rotation for each job that will allow you to bumble through dungeons. We are not talking optimal, we are talking, like "halone combo and then flash". The game was designed specifically with these basic rotations in mind. Again I am not talking about anything complex here.

If a player can't do that, and they will not listen to advice, then there really is no helping.

Put bluntly, you don't go into a fist fight expecting slaps. Of course no one expects pro k1 fighting techniques either.