Dear all Free Companies

[Kimikryo]

So it is lazy not to check the FC application tab every minute?

What does it say, about not bothering to send a /tell to someone from that FC? Especially because most member seeking FCs shout with "please send me a tell"

How often do you guys think FC officials open the FC tab? Let me tell you, when they start a new FC action, and than they need the rights to also accept applications to check that.

[Geryth]

This is a serious design flaw. People who apply to a FC are really at the mercy of the FC to approve or deny their application before they can do anything regarding another FC?

This needs to be put back into the hands of the player who submitted the application. They should be able to withdraw their application at anytime and be allowed to join or apply or create another FC on their own terms (or maybe even send multiple applications at once). I don't think anything else needs to be done for the FC who has to approve or deny the applications. They can check that tab and do what they want or they should have the option to ignore it completely and not worry about negatively affecting another player by not going through in-game applications.

But I've never submitted and app nor have I ever been a FC leader so I don't know if it really works that way, but if it does, shame on the designer of that system for creating such and awkward dependency.

[Moheeheeko]

This is a serious design flaw. People who apply to a FC are really at the mercy of the FC to approve or deny their application before they can do anything regarding another FC?

the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

[NaliaBrown]

the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

I'm an officer in my FC. We received an application a few days ago from someone who had previously been in our FC. I don't know why this person left in the first place (whether it was voluntary on his part or if he was kicked for whatever reason - I was not around when it happened), but all that was written on the application was ".-." or something like that. I'm assuming that applicants can put an actual message in this place? Now, considering I had no idea why this person was applying again, I decided to wait until the right people (higher up officers than I am) were online to decide whether or not to accept this person's application. While waiting, he withdrew his application.

Really, the only reason I knew this guy's application was received was because I was online just hanging out when it came in, and I saw the message in the chat log. I would have had no idea otherwise. I usually check the FC activity when I first log in for the day, but it's usually filled with gardening stuff ("So-and-so tended to whatever garden patch"). Is there a way to get gardening stuff off that tab? I don't need to know every single time someone waters the garden.

[Geryth]

the OP wasn't 100% accurate, you can withdraw your application.

Thanks for the info. Yeah with that, I really don't see a problem then. The FC can approve or deny on their whim, and the person who applied can just withdraw if they want to join a different FC.

[Alaina]

Our company doesn't use it.

[JTribal]

If you haven't even been accepted into the FC and are already getting pissed off by them, might be a good idea to withdrawal and apply elsewhere.

As for your FC not reviewing apps in a timely manner (I think that's part of what you were saying) may want to take that up with the FC leader, he or she may not be in charge of those reviews and might not have the slightest idea that it's going on.

[Ryuko]

When recruitment was still open in my FC, I would let the application linger... and for one very specific reason: there are people who join FCs and attempt to clean out anything they can from the chest. I give all of my members access to tab 3 (pots, food, etc) so there is easily a few million gil in products at everyone's disposal. I trust my members, but I don't trust random low levels that apply with generic messages like: "I want to join" even though they are a level 15 on their first job and have spoken to NO ONE about the FC or why they want to join. This may be presumptuous of me, but I have seen it happen several times -- and it's better to be safe than sorry. If I let applications linger, I'll see that they get withdrawn, and then that person applied and was accepted to another company... and then I hear about them swiping the chest and laughing about it (it's technically NOT against ToS since the FC leader allowed people of that rank to access certain things... aka, there's nothing you can do about it). That is exactly why I have taken down the ability to just apply to my FC. Anyone who speaks with us directly is more than welcome to join, but I do not just like blind invites or applications because that can lead to trouble. Whenever someone would apply with a realistic application (more than just "I want to join"), I would seek them out and chat with them.

[Lithera]

SNIP

This is what FC permissions are for. Create a probationary rank that everyone starts at for a week.

[Ryuko]

This is what FC permissions are for. Create a probationary rank that everyone starts at for a week.

That is a solution we considered, but the frequency at which we'd receive these 'fake' applications grew to be just too much. I made the decision to just turn off applications completely. If anyone wants to join, they can just whisper one of us or ask the person they meet in the FC how to join.