Younoob Tutorials.

[ShinkuTachi]

I don't know why this has suddenly turned into an attack on content providers @ youtube and twitch.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what they do. Their guides are meant to familiarize you with a fight and give you a rough idea on how to deal with the mechanics. They are not the ultimate "how to" guides. How you and your group handles a fight and its mechanics is up to you and your group dynamic. Both Mr. Happy and MTQcapture, for example, are just fine in doing what they do.

/2gil

[Orophin]

I don't know why this has suddenly turned into an attack on content providers @ youtube and twitch.

It's just an issue created by the community itself, like many other issues that people try to get SE to "fix".

In terms of MMOs, video guides didn't become very popular until Tankspot started doing videos for WoW. It became the norm in that game to have DBM installed to yell in your ear everytime an ability is coming and to watch the Tankspot video to know what you're doing.

In the days prior to WoW, there were no community enforced requirements like these. People just kept attempting things until they completed it. Eventually some written guides would come out, but people seemed more patient several years ago, opposed to now where one wipe and people flip out and drop the group.

[ShinkuTachi]

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Yeah, I'm an old FFXI player, this is the first game I've actually seen video guides used for. Personally, for the fights I've watched vids on, I've found beneficial for actually seeing the boss mechanics in action. Before, in FFXI, all I really had access to was text guides.

Personally, I don't have a problem with youtube or twitch content providers. I also don't see the difference in using a video guide or a text guide. The only difference is the avenue which the guide is being provided.

[Noshpan]

Checked her out. Nice vids. Only prob is that there isnt a t9 guide and her t8 guide came out 2 weeks ago. Furthermore, her Mog ex guide just came out yesterday. That's pretty late. I usually go with Mr. Happy and other FCs/statics who go for server-first 'cause I know they'll have a vid up much quicker

My guess is that her static probably hasn't downed T9 yet (or at least not in an efficient a manner she's comfortable with). She might even have several recordings of it, but needs to make time in her schedule to edit the video(s) to make a suitable guide.

As for her Mog Ex video, we're kind of lucky she even put one out. She hates the Good King Moggle Mog fight due to a bad first time experience (it's explained in one of her Q&A videos), but said that she would put out a video if there is enough of a demand for it (which there was).

She currently doesn't have a video for Gilgamesh (yet), but he's fairly easy to figure out without a video.

Oh yeah, I guess I dislike him too because his twitch is asking us to pay. Good job Mrbaddy.

That means that his chat is in subscriber only mode. It's not uncommon for broadcasters to do that, usually in an effort to keep troll spam down. If you've got hundreds of viewers, it can be difficult for moderators to, well, moderate the spam. MANvsGame started going to sub-only about a year ago. He said he would reconsider it if he noticed a decline in viewership. So far, he's experienced the exact opposite, and has increased the number of viewers as well as subscribers.

The subscription fee is (usually) $4.99 a month. The partnered broadcaster gets X amount (they're contractually obligated NOT to say how much that amount is) while Twitch gets the rest. For older broadcasters such as MANvsGame, you get an add-free experience plus special emotes that you can use all over Twitch. Sadly, under the current partnered program, being a subscriber doesn't offer an add-free experience unless you pay the $9 for Turbo status (or use Ad-block).


That being said, there's nothing wrong with videos, and people releasing visual how-to guides, it's more of the people who demand that a video be watched first and the first time run must be done with absolute perfection. I've also seen people become verbally abusive because someone offered a different strategy to fighting the same boss than the one they use. They also insist that their method is the ONE TRUE METHOD to completing a fight/ dungeon.

[Starrywisdom]

Players that have tried the fight and wiped a bunch of times will always be better than first timers who've watched a Mr. Happy video.

Issue number one is they are taking tips from someone who they shouldn't be taking tips from. That guy is just one big massive joke/meme in the endgame community.

[Kuwagami]

Can you provide some examples of wrong rotations or explanations in his videos? Granted I only watch his videos once or twice before doing the fight and I don't come back to it after I cleared that turn so I might be wrong. But I don't recall any grave mistakes and what is in the video generally tends to coincide with the fight in game.

You surely haven't watched his Titan Ex and Ifrit Ex videos. I've wiped for month on titan because of idiots who were following his rotations exactly and were totally unable to adapt when they were clearly wrong (even the very first one, before 1st geocrush iirc.....)

Also would like to see any evidence that he claimed that his method is the "one true method" to do the fight. IIRC, his turn 8 video mentioned that there were many ways to push towers and what was shown in the video was only his group's way of doing it. He also mentioned that he would likely do another video to show a different method, but he never got around to doing it.

as I said, I stopped watching his videos because I happened to dislike him. However, when I was still watching from afar, he was simply saying "do this, do that", even for T4. Maybe my view was biased.

As for "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo", would like to see some evidence for this, if not its just your personal opinion and you have no idea if he was rushing it or not.

I wonder how many static groups would have been able to clear t6-t9 days/weeks after the content was released if they didn't have his video as a reference. What is undeniable is that he is the first to post end game video guides out there.

I'm fine with people posting a kill video (see BG or the other few releasing such videos as soon as they beat content). a tutorial video however, requires to be exact in your information. If you make a tutorial with errors, you're doing your job poorly. Where is the need of a primal guide in under 2 days ? Get a week to know all and THEN do your video. For coil it's a bit trickier, but you can always watch again you own record until your vocal comments reflect what's happening on the screen.

If your followers don't come only because you're the first, it doesn't matter, does it ? But generally speaking, the "omahgerd need to be the first one to post a kill videooooooooo" mentality is a bad consequence of the overwhelming amount of videos and the desperate need of consideration. Because if you're the first, no matter how wrong/bad you are, people will still come and refer to you above anyone else.

As for the statics, I wonder how they can be proud to beat a new content after a few days/weeks if they only did so after watching a guide ? Was it really that hard to try a bit more and eventually watch the guide after actually trying for a week or 2 ?
There aren't many hard to understand mechanics. You can get a hint of what to do after 1-3 wipes on the same mechanic (by testing everything possible on screen if you have no clue). Anyway, the statics you're referring to didn't use videos for reference, and even less Mrhappy's videos. If anything, they used kill videos from BG or similar groups to be able to pass a difficult phase for them and get access to the next turn.

The statics who use tutorial videos are the one who don't want to tackle the content by themselves or failed to grasp the mechanics.

Now, I also dislike him charging money for twitch, but from what you say the content is still free and accessible and you only need to pay if you wish to talk, which would only apply to die hard fans anyway. I don't see anything wrong with trying to earn a little additional money on the side.

The only advantage of twitch is that you can talk with the guys doing the video or the other watchers. Remove it, you get youtube, but you know you could interact and yet are unable to do so. I'd rather use youtube, as the social aspect of twitch is totally removed that way. As for the "earning money", it is *still* illegal to make money on licensed games unless the society possessing the license pays you to do the videos.
Square Enix encouraging people to advertize their game doesn't mean you have the right to make money on it.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with videos, and people releasing visual how-to guides, it's more of the people who demand that a video be watched first and the first time run must be done with absolute perfection. I've also seen people become verbally abusive because someone offered a different strategy to fighting the same boss than the one they use. They also insist that their method is the ONE TRUE METHOD to completing a fight/ dungeon.

see above. Nothing wrong with videos, but "how-to" guides have to be exact, or at least they need to follow what happens on screen. It's becoming rare with the rush to be the first.

as for the one true method problem in game....

T6 LoS
CT dragon to the north
CT Behemoth placement
Ifrit's LoS
T5 dives & LB on adds
T4 order for P5/P6
T2...
got a bit of T7 too with the kite vs stack method.
Levi Ex before some groups do it with 2 SCH 6 SMN
Moggle Ex when people refuse to even try Titan egi MT

etc etc... Can't change people I guess

[skaterger]

^^

It seems like your argument is more about players deciding that there is only one true method than Mrhappy claiming so. I dont see how you can blame him for that. Kind of the whole gun control thing you know.

It's been months since I cleared titan ex so I will need to watch the video again. Currently at work now.

[R1dder]

After all, FFXIV is a monthly subscription to play.

I'm so fed up with this being an excuse for you to do whatever you want in this game. Everyone pays this fee, and they have the same rights to say "watch a video or don't join" as you say "i pay the fee and want experience through try and fail". If you want to do things your way go ahead, but don't make people who wants to get things done look like the bad guys. You can't expect everyone who either has experience from trial and error or a youtube video to be willing to guide you through a dungeon / trial if you're not willing to do some background research.

- Mr. Happy is hardly the most effective guides out there. You will find others who explains things quicker and clearer, so for the people not wanting to watch a 30 min video... look below mr. happy and you'll find it when u search on youtube.

[Kuwagami]

I'm so fed up with this being an excuse for you to do whatever you want in this game. Everyone pays this fee, and they have the same rights to say "watch a video or don't join" as you say "i pay the fee and want experience through try and fail". If you want to do things your way go ahead, but don't make people who wants to get things done look like the bad guys. You can't expect everyone who either has experience from trial and error or a youtube video to be willing to guide you through a dungeon / trial if you're not willing to do some background research.

2 errors here :
1) You assume that OP was talking about PF, where it would more probably be DF. You have no right to flame people because they don't watch videos before joining DF.
2) videos don't give you any experience. At the very best they'll give you an vague idea of what's coming. If you want experience through videos, you'll have to study the fight with many videos and that time would be better spent trying in game.


(as a bonus : 3) Who needs a video for a dungeon seriously ? )