Younoob Tutorials.

[Moheeheeko]

I guess I must be one of the bads. Because besides Garuda, I have never beaten any endgame content my first try even after watching every video I could find and reading any information available. I have had to practice everything many times before beating it.

I hear ya, months and months and im STILL stuck on t6.
Then again that could be from other factors but im usually very self critical >_>

[Rex]

Players that have tried the fight and wiped a bunch of times will always be better than first timers who've watched a Mr. Happy video.

I do wish SE would get his YouTube account shut down. His guides are awful and they breed bad players.

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm yourself now. He's doing nothing wrong, and his guides are perfectly fine. Don't know where the hell you're getting that from.

[Moheeheeko]

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm yourself now. He's doing nothing wrong, and his guides are perfectly fine. Don't know where the hell you're getting that from.

Most of his strats are the worst for new players, When coil 1 was still super new he said you didn't need to feed before the split on cad. Granted now it works fine but with a group in mostly i70 gear that's nearly impossible.

[Clavaat]

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Honestly, this is how I handle it with my group. We understand that knowing the fight is not the end-all be-all. There are random mechanics that can affect one or several members: T5 conflags, T6 honey and thorns, etc. You can understand what that mechanic is, and how it works, but executing it is a whole different monster.

That being said... I totally respect that other people do not want to do it that way. I like going in blind to the new 4-man dungeons and learning as we go along. I can see why people would like to do that with the big ones. There's an important understanding you all should be having:

1. Players who like to research beforehand are not all hardcore elitist. Often, they just want to feel prepared, or like being able to delegate roles beforehand.
2. Players who do not like to research beforehand are not all casual noobs. They just want to experience the fight firsthand, and adapt from what they learn, not what another player has told them.

I think most people are right in the middle-ground. They either prefer one or the other, but don't really expect it from other players. I could be wrong in this assumption, but that's what I've noticed. I research as we progress through SCoB, but I also write up my own guides, that specifically lay out what we did at each part, how we handled it, regardless of what a video or guide has told us. You have to find what works for you and yours.

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm yourself now. He's doing nothing wrong, and his guides are perfectly fine. Don't know where the hell you're getting that from.

His guides are pretty bad, honestly. He continually treats the way he handles fights as the right way. More often than not, his group Brute Forces their way through fights, and that only really works if you are completely up to date on gear all the time. Not to mention, he doesn't update previous guides, so the information gets out of date quickly. I don't follow any specific player for information, I cross-reference a few to get a good idea of what is happening.

[Eekiki]

Are those people not watching YouTube videos also refusing to take any advice from other players?

i.e.

Player_01 >> OK, so in this next phase here, Mob_01 is going to . . .
Non-video_watcher >> STOP TYPING RIGHT NOW OR I AM GOING TO SCREAM!!!

Riiight. I'm totally sure that happens all the time. >.>

Or is it more like:

Non-video_watcher >> Hi guys, this is my first try at this fight.
Player_01 >> OMG u noob did u at leest watch a video?
Non-video_watcher >> No...but this is T6 and I've made it this far without watching videos. I'm pretty good at picking up mechanics as I go along.
Player_01 >> OMG U NEED 2 WATCH A VIDEO OR WE'LL WIPE LOLOLOL
Non-video_watcher >> But this is a learning PT. We're going to wipe anyway. What learning PT has ever cleared something without wiping at least once?
Player_01 has rage quit.

[Clavaat]

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Both scenarios are possible from the different viewpoints. Whether one is more likely or not is irrelevant, the point should be that you respect both and either don't say anything or adapt to the others. Neither of those situations are handled well.

[ShinkuTachi]

I know right.

But yeah, let the people stay with their delusional assumption that watching a video means that people can win more/faster, than someone who does "learning by doing". xD

Agreed!

Watching a video is good for nothing more than preparation and giving a player an idea of what to expect in a fight. That's really it. It certainly does not replace the hands-on experience you obtain through actually practicing, doing the fight, and group dynamic.


But for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

[Shori]

I've been on both sides of this fence, as a newb and as an experienced player who just wants to collect the soldiery as quick as possible.

I find the happy medium that I'm comfortable with is - Just find a written guide or description of the dungeon or trial you are about to enter. It is enough - even for Titan Ext - to just know what attacks are coming up and how to avoid/interupt them. I dont expect someone to watch a half-hour long video on titan (which if is from MR Happy, would likely be the wrong class/job for you anyway since bard has far less to worry about).
With the very simple knowledge gained from a quick skim thru you shouldnt have any problems picking up the fight after just 1 or 2 tries, which gets your party a buff anyway

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

The only thing I don't like about mrhappy's vids are that they are from a Bard's perspective. And that, to me, is quite honestly the laziest "job" this game has to offer. It almost feels like it was meant to be a support-only role, but then at the last minute they just decided, "Hey, we'll give it some attacks too and it can be a DPS."

This is all from experience of playing with Bards and trying to level one myself. It just really feels like such a lazy job. I don't like attacking while fleeing, I wanna be up in dat ass

That aside, yes pre-watching vids gives you at least some semblance of what's to come in a fight. It's not TOO much of a help, but it does give you an idea of how to maneuver in an arena/dungeon, especially if you have experienced players in said fight along with new players. Take for example: I did Ifrit EX about two days ago going in completely blind. Didn't know about the chain mechanic, but I never once wiped because of it, or the debuff from the nails. The healers, however, were basically the cause (okay, it was more like one healer) of the wipes we had. He'd never done EX, but we still got through it after 4 wipes. He'd never watched a video beforehand, but after that many deaths, he picked up on the strategy for the fight. Had he watched a vid beforehand he might've had SOME idea of what was to come.

Alas, we won and that's all that really matters to me. Vin Diesel said it best:

"It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch… or a mile. Winning is winning."

[abzoluut]

What's the difference between you joining the fight and have people tell you what to do and watching a vid?