Younoob Tutorials.

[Eekiki]

If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.

Are you saying I'm short?! =.=

[IzumiRaito]

The reason of all this "watch the guide before playing" is the whole end game design. Gimmick-centered fights where unless u already know what a mechanic does, how to handle it, and anticipate it u will definitely wipe. Only the most hardcore/nolife players can progress an endgame fight going in totally blind.

[Billie21]

Are you saying I'm short?! =.=

*Looks at the Lalafel picture on the left* *coughs* You kinda are... ^^'

Also, how is it "ruining someones day" if you que up to content you don't know, but make honest attempts at completing it?

The real problem with this game is that there are so many entitled brats who feel like, "one fail = leave". We have an hour to beat primals, but I've rarely ever been in a group that lasted more than 20 minutes. One or two wipes and someone rage quits, rather than sticking around and trying to help the group achieve victory. That's the real problem, not someone who doesn't want to watch a video showing them exactly what to do.

It's heartwarming to see some people with a grain of civil sense are left.


Youtube is free, people pay a sub to play. No wrong in spending game-time watching other people playing, no wrong in preferring to spend that time actually playing either.


PS: I've been in such a DF group once, OSUbuckeye, and we had a lot of fun and gained much experience during the hour we, all newb and strangers that we were, spent on that primal.

[Edli]

I agree that is a lot of fun going blind and learning as you experience it but pls for the love of Zeus do it in a learning party if you can. Much less stressful on you too and you'll be in a party with other people that are trying to learn it blindly too. A team that is trying to figure out the fight is fun. A team half learning half experienced is a recipe for disaster and stress.

[Nadrojj]

Don't drag seven people down with you by going into a fight with 0 knowledge. If you want to experience the fight without spoiling it beforehand build your own party finder group.

Posts like this make me thankful for my FC, relying on DF and PF would be miserable.

[yahhzoo]

I watch the videos because I want to see the mechanics of the fight before going in blind, but I do understand why some players want to be surprised by the fight. There is a certain excitement not knowing what a boss is about to do and learning what to do on the spot. In my opinion if it is duty finder or a learning party finder it shouldn't be a requirement to watch the guide, but if you are joining a kill party at least watch or read a guide.

[Billie21]

I agree that is a lot of fun going blind and learning as you experience it but pls for the love of Zeus do it in a learning party if you can. Much less stressful on you too and you'll be in a party with other people that are trying to learn it blindly too. A team that is trying to figure out the fight is fun. A team half learning half experienced is a recipe for disaster and stress.

Why should it be the inexperienced ones (often new players, some not even used to mmorgs and stuff like forums videos) that goes to so much trouble to play the game?

I'm not saying one side should leave DF more than the other, I'm just saying that the ones with criteria should use PF. You can't expect anything in DF (knowledge, skill, experience, method of fighting...). That applies to everyone:

- If the inexperienced guy wants to really discover everything without explainations/carry/etc... with only inexperienced people and no spoiler and a max of challenge, then he should use PF. If He doesn't mind potentially experienced people who might rush the dungeon of give explanations in advance, he can use DF.

- If the experienced guy wants to do SRs, he should use PF. If he can deal with having inexperienced people in the party, he can use DF.

The only thing that you should expect from other players in DF is common politeness, but even that seem to be too much to expect from DF...

[Grizzlebeard]

/votekick OP

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[Edli]

Why should it be the inexperienced ones (often new players, some not even used to mmorgs and stuff like forums videos) that goes to so much trouble to play the game?

Why do you say it like we the older players didn't go through all that too? We've been there, trying to learn a fight like they are now. I'm still doing it.

There is nothing wrong with joining a learning party. I said it as an advice because I've been there too.
Joined T5 through DF completely blind. Everyone was doing the perfect dance and I was kissing the floor. 2 wipes after, nobody said anything but I felt bad and left. There was no point for me to stay there and I couldn't expect from 7 strangers to spend and hour of their time teaching me.
I joined a learning party, no stress whatsoever, no feeling bad. I had a great time playing with other noobs like me and got out of it more experienced with the fight.

[Billie21]

Why do you say it like we the older players didn't go through all that too? We've been there, trying to learn a fight like they are now. I'm still doing it.

There is nothing wrong with joining a learning party. I said it as an advice because I've been there too.
Joined T5 through DF completely blind. Everyone was doing the perfect dance and I was kissing the floor. 2 wipes after, nobody said anything but I felt bad and left. There was no point for me to stay there and I couldn't expect from 7 strangers to spend and hour of their time teaching me.
I joined a learning party, no stress whatsoever, no feeling bad. I had a great time playing with other noobs like me and got out of it more experienced with the fight.

Not saying there is anything wrong in joining a learning party, on the contrary, I believe it is often more enjoyable for the inexperienced, as you said.
My point was just that it shouldn't be mandatory to be allowed to play the game, and you shouldn't get any grief over it. But it is a good advice, yes