Younoob Tutorials.

[Gerolan]

As suggested start up a PF practise group if you really do just want to practise, I've done it myself a few times to learn the fight (cough I hate you moogle ex)
The problem with the "go watch the video" mentality is that usually the in depth ones are from a single point of view, like from a healer or a ranged DPS, which does nothing for those on melee, also some and I won't name names are over half hour long and boring as hell with a guy with the most annoying voice since peewee Herman which is an instant turn off
If I want to learn the fight though i do it via PF and not expect a carry in DF

[Vladislav]

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You don't have to watch any video , also don't have to say party that you 1st timer if using DF. just play way you like (i allways do things that -> I' am<- want/need/research)
With PF there's different story , because you have to apply PF stated rules of party.
Blame game mechanins for that . Actually i never seen "Elitism" as it is in FFXIV , in other online games i played , even in FFXI to go fight hard battle (like even PW : which pop set take days-months to gather) no one was ask you to go watch video.

[Hiruke]

Actually i never seen "Elitism" as it is in FFXIV , in other online games i played , even in FFXI to go fight hard battle (like even PW : which pop set take days-months to gather) no one was ask you to go watch video.

FFXI must have been like the only other MMO you've played then. And no one would have asked you to watch a video because every fight in FFXI can be explained in 10 seconds or less, and is substantially easier than anything in FFXIV. FFXIV has very punishing mechanics and tight dps checks. FFXI, for most content, you can have a small core group of competent people and they can carry a whole truckload of bad players. This is simply not the case for FFXIV.

[Kallera]

To be fair, there's no way to prove that people watched a video or not.

I try to ask what went wrong regardless, if that makes me a horrible person to you all, so be it.

[Codek]

Just throwing this out there...

People who join Coil/EX fights without knowing the basics is equivalent to that tank who joins the "Turtle in a half shell" Guildhest and doesn't read the text to run the turtle to the sleeping gas...

Is it still do-able? Yes. but god is it annoying...

[Hiruke]

OP, I love your thread title. You stay classy, San Diego.

Long story short:

Expect awfulness in DF. Period. It's not even worth discussing how people behave in there, because you'll get people who not only don't know the fight, but are INCAPABLE of learning, such as healers who simply do not understand that maybe standing on top of the dps and pushing everyone into Ifrit with Searing Wind is maybe a bad idea. Not only will they continue to do this infinitely, they will yell at YOU for dying to the Eruptions that THEY sent you careening into. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY. (This, btw, is way more problematic than people saying "yo go watch a video".)

Similarly, expect jerks in DF. Get over it. If you don't want the lolz, don't join DF. That goes for pros and noobs alike. That's just life.

I think the REAL problem is when people who have no clue join PF parties that REQUIRE that you be experienced. These people try to sneak in all the time. You've seen them. Drowning in Leviathan, killing the BLM in Mog EX without denting the other moogles, getting hit by every Weight and Landslide in Titan EX... Weekly clear party? Must be experienced!? TIME TO SNEAK IN AND HOPE FOR A CARRY.

Or maybe go back to DF, or only join learning PTs. If you think "elitists" are bad for the game, imagine how those "elitists" feel about all the scrubs who sneak into "experienced only" parties and play like they bought their account all of 10 minutes ago.

[Kallera]

I think the REAL problem is when people who have no clue join PF parties that REQUIRE that you be experienced. These people try to sneak in all the time. You've seen them. Drowning in Leviathan, killing the BLM in Mog EX without denting the other moogles, getting hit by every Weight and Landslide in Titan EX... Weekly clear party? Must be experienced!? TIME TO SNEAK IN AND HOPE FOR A CARRY.

Or maybe go back to DF, or only join learning PTs. If you think "elitists" are bad for the game, imagine how those "elitists" feel about all the scrubs who sneak into "experienced only" parties and play like they bought their account all of 10 minutes ago.

Seeing as how the majority of PF entries by weekend are chock full of "FARMABLE, MUST HAVE MULTI CLEARS, FIRST TRY, KICK IF YOU CANT STAND IN YELLOW" and other such gems. I'm not going to waste my sympathy.

[Xellos2099]

Seeing as how the majority of PF entries by weekend are chock full of "FARMABLE, MUST HAVE MULTI CLEARS, FIRST TRY, KICK IF YOU CANT STAND IN YELLOW" and other such gems. I'm not going to waste my sympathy.

On the otherhand, what do you call a player that join that pf that require prior win on thw first day of the reset?

[Alipoprocks]

I guess I must be one of the bads. Because besides Garuda, I have never beaten any endgame content my first try even after watching every video I could find and reading any information available. I have had to practice everything many times before beating it.

[AnaviAnael]

I guess I must be one of the bads. Because besides Garuda, I have never beaten any endgame content my first try even after watching every video I could find and reading any information available. I have had to practice everything many times before beating it.

You and me both. Let us go for margaritas and be losers together!