Glamour & Need

[Kimikryo]

If that healer was a scholar, the allagan gloves might be better in their eyes. Scholar's love crit and daystar has none. High ilevel doesn't always mean better. A lot of soildery pieces are crap.

this so much over and over. Unless you are on farmlevel to make the weathered to the full thing, a lot of them actually aren't THAT good compared to the mytho and allagan pieces.

To many people think "High ilvl = good" and don't think twice about it. HEY I CAN NEED ON THAT AND I WILL BE ILVL90 .. why is my Accuracy that low and my skillspeed that high *cringes* oh my

[ispano]

If that healer was a scholar, the allagan gloves might be better in their eyes. Scholar's love crit and daystar has none. High ilevel doesn't always mean better. A lot of soildery pieces are crap.

wat? While I wouldn't use Daystar Gloves for either healer, HA has less Spell Speed and gets Piety instead of DET, which helps with healing the longer fights. It's still better than Allagan. That crit secondary will not offset the gain from the mind boost.

Right........or it could be that people may want it for glamour, seals, retainers, to complete a set (plenty of completionists in this game..), and who knows what else. They have just as much right to the item as you.

I would agree with all of those except seals. Because seals don't care which job/role the item is for, so everyone "needs" that item for that purpose pretty much equally. Once the item stops being "Healer Gloves" or "Tank Belt" and so on, and is just a turn in for seals, your current role, or that of your retainer is no longer and in that situation alone I feel it is selfish to hit need over the others who worked hard with you to clear the content.

[NinjaTaru72]

If that healer was a scholar, the allagan gloves might be better in their eyes. Scholar's love crit and daystar has none. High ilevel doesn't always mean better. A lot of soildery pieces are crap.

I very much love my crit. Lol. Need those super shields

[Karnyboy]

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

[PArcher]

SNIP

If you want to need on an item, come as that class. Simple as that.

Unless you checked what classes the WHM has leveled (which you obviously didn't) you would have known instantly if they could use it for leveling, and its highly likely he did need it for that; the other possibility is he wanted it for Glamour, as that robe is one of the better-looking ones in the game.
Third option? GC Turn-Ins. Seals are Valuable, and if that's all he wanted the robe for its perfectly fine for him to do so. If there are no leveling casters in the group when I'm healing a lowbie dungeon, I will Need on all caster/healer loot to turn in for seals, otherwise I Greed on it (and still win 90% of the time).

Its also obvious you didn't say anything to the WHM about needing the robe for an alt. No right to complain, IMO, if you can't be bothered to type a few words before rolling.

[Ryuukishi]

How is that fair?

It's fair because no one gets to be the judge of whether someone else has a valid reason for wanting the loot. Come back to the dungeon next time as a caster, and when you Need the item and win it, the person you won the roll against will have their own list of reasons why they deserved the loot more than you.

[Elim]

I don't really understand, you sound like you were doing random df with random players without knowing who's going to roll on what. So I cannot sympathize with you. You're not entitled to a specific gear gear in a random instance through DF.

These are my thoughts.

That healer might have been trying to get those boots for as long as you have. Who's to say which reason is more "moral" and "right" to roll on loot if there was no loot rules put into place beforehand?

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

I did the same thing as the WHM but I was on my SCH. Ever since I started playing the game I wanted that robe but it had never dropped till then. Even after doing all the dungeons that it could drop in a billion times over. I rolled on it, won, and glamoured it over my robe. I love it so much. It almost felt like getting a high allagan piece LOL because I had waited so long to get it. I do have the level 50 crafted version but I like the colors of the level 15 robe much more.

[LunarEmerald]

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

If you want a good chance of obtaining loot for a class/role then play that class. You've got nobody but yourself to blame if something drops for a class you want but you aren't on that class.

And if you can't play that class because you aren't there yet then tough cookie.

[Tule]

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Then play that role. You don't deserve or need a drop you can't use on the class you completed the content with. At least not first priority. If that healer joins and get the dps into a q faster then good for him. He deserves that piece that was the entire reason he did the dungeon. The drop was a HEALER drop. The HEALER should get first priority as in that dungeon is filled out those requirements. He did the job that armor was made for in the dungeon that item drops in.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

It's fair because you are the one who CHOSE to do that dungeon as a monk, therefore you forfeit your option to need on an item you may want.

Honestly, this entitlement mentality is gross. About a week ago, I was doing Levi EX with an FC friend who's main is a bard. He just happens to have his Artemis Bow Animus, but really wants the Levi bow for glamour. So, the TANK asks my friend if he wants the bow (before we even started the fight), and he responds yes. The tank throws a fit, honestly crying like a baby, and leaves the instance taking the 30 minute penalty because the bard of the group says he wants the bow if it drops. OMG, how dare the bard want a bard weapon.

Here's a novel idea. If you want an item on a specific job, try playing that job. I'm certainly not going to give up an item I want (be it for glamour or stats) for the job I'm playing to suit your needs.