Accs really should have class reqs...

[UBERHAXED]

Two troll posts in a row, okay I'll bite. Unless something has changed since I last saw, dexterity boosts block and parry rate by such a pathetically small amount it's not even worth considering. Unless you have a link to some documented testing on the subject, quit spreading misinformation.

You kind of just gave away that you have no idea what the stats actually do in the last sentence. And... "last time I saw": so what documentation do you have to back up your claims? It should be pretty obvious if the stats didn't do anything, then they would have just left the effect as determining ranged damage.

[saber_alter]

You kind of just gave away that you have no idea what the stats actually do in the last sentence. And... "last time I saw": so what documentation do you have to back up your claims? It should be pretty obvious if the stats didn't do anything, then they would have just left the effect as determining ranged damage.

just going to drop here, it was done by a redditor. it might just be a lack of testing but it seems that parry rate actually drops at higher dex rates. block rate seems fine however.



though in reality it wouldn't be a good idea to use aiming jewlery or melding for dexterity on a tank unless your testing this. acc/parry/vit are still our important stats.

[subteraneanbird]

Parry goes down as block goes up because you can't parry a blocked hit. You'd have to test dex gains on a WAR or on a PLD minus a shield to see it's effect on parry.

[Crystallus]

I've seen a lot of people do this during Titan HM. They use whatever gear they can to raise their item level, have terrible HP, expect a carry, and die to stomps.

The actual reason for the ilvl gear they pop it on to meet requirements most swap to actual job stat gear once in though

[PArcher]

The only problem with this would be for tanks that use dps accessories when in the open world to help their dps. While this might help, you really can't save people from themselves, they'll still do something else, and if you eliminate all choice the game gets rather boring.

Tanks don't just use Melee accessories solo, in any dungeon pre-Haukke (where you get your first tank stance and VIT differences start to matter; note, this does assume the tank is lv50 and knows how to tank properly) going a maxed-STR build is perfectly fine, and can help speed up runs. You can probably use STR accessories all the way to AV, and thanks to all the nerfs its definitely possible to do that in AK (I actually healed AK once using only Eos...yeah, that place got hit HARD). They also are great for OTs in some fights (any HM primal, T5, T7, T8, Prae and CM) and even MTs on bosses where damage is low (Demon Wall, Hali HM first boss, Bray HM second and third bosses, Ruins first and second bosses, etc)

Certain SMN builds (esp Tanking with Titan runs) require VIT accessories, and VIT accessories are also used to meet HP requirements (way back when 3200 hp for Titan HM was a lot for casters/heals, T5 pre-Echo, T9, etc)


Just because some people are not too bright doesn't mean we need to change this.

[Sairii]

Dex is dumb for a tank. Everyone should know it.
The healer will thank you for going full vit.

At lvl 50 you pretty much have all the dex you need without statting it.
You could argue statting STR to reach your next parry and block cap but Vit is still more important as it is not a chance but rather a static gain.

Edit:
But no, never str / dex accs for tank unless you wanna help dps. You will loose parry and other useful stats.

[Skander]

While this might not be the same thing, DEX over VIT, at least for a paladin, seems to be like taking crit over det on a whm. While the crit may indeed help from time to time, you're betting on a gamble, but you may not have found yourself needing that crit had your thoroughput just been higher overall. Similarly, while higher DEX reduces the damage you take from time to time, every OTHER unmitigated blow strikes you for a larger percentage of your total health. This makes it harder for your healer to get a read on your rate of death, and kind of flies in the face of the mechanics paladin was built around.

[Velox]

I examined and they were wearing full i100 INT gear, not a point of MND to be found

AFAIK, A WHM can't equip the i100 caster gear. Outside of accessories, it's almost impossible for him to absolutely 0 MND from gear unless he/she is in nothing but ilevel 1 sets. Even the ilevel 55 and below gear has INT and can be equipped by healer, but it also has MND since sub-50 DoM classes share a lot of the gear.

Even given all this, MND on gear only helps with healing strength to an extent. 75% of healing power comes from the weapon's magic damage. My WHM devoid of all clothing still heals for ~800 with JUST a weapon equipped. If his heals were, in fact doing nothing, then most likely he was using a sub-standard weapon.

[Nabian]

Just wanted to correct some misinformation here regarding tanks and strength accessories.

In most cases warrior tanks especially are stacking strength accessories even on endgame content. Why you ask? because you only need enough hp to take the big hit...everything after that is wasted

[Kerberon]

Tanks don't just use Melee accessories solo, in any dungeon pre-Haukke (where you get your first tank stance and VIT differences start to matter; note, this does assume the tank is lv50 and knows how to tank properly) going a maxed-STR build is perfectly fine, and can help speed up runs. You can probably use STR accessories all the way to AV, and thanks to all the nerfs its definitely possible to do that in AK (I actually healed AK once using only Eos...yeah, that place got hit HARD). They also are great for OTs in some fights (any HM primal, T5, T7, T8, Prae and CM) and even MTs on bosses where damage is low (Demon Wall, Hali HM first boss, Bray HM second and third bosses, Ruins first and second bosses, etc)

Certain SMN builds (esp Tanking with Titan runs) require VIT accessories, and VIT accessories are also used to meet HP requirements (way back when 3200 hp for Titan HM was a lot for casters/heals, T5 pre-Echo, T9, etc)


Just because some people are not too bright doesn't mean we need to change this.

Just wanted to correct some misinformation here regarding tanks and strength accessories.

In most cases warrior tanks especially are stacking strength accessories even on endgame content. Why you ask? because you only need enough hp to take the big hit...everything after that is wasted

For my part I was just trying to make the point that there are reasons to not have "tanky" acc on a tank for a tank set and limiting it would be a bad idea with one specific example. I realize that there are many more and more even for some other classes.