Archer's future

[Alcide]

NB: this has nothing to do with Archer's nerf, AA or whatever.

I was looking at the new weapons and noticed that almost all of the bows have Piety attributes. It seemed quite odd to me, but then i thought that it might have something to do with the upcoming job system (Archer's job is supposed to be Bard).

But I still think it's an odd decision... Considering what we know so far, jobs are gonna be for parties and are gonna be some kind of "specialization" of each class, so there shouldn't be any reason why you might want your a Conjurer not to be WHM or your Gladiator not to be PLD... but what's the point in turning the most powerful DD class into a support Job? o.O I mean, once it becomes Bard it can't be that powerful (judging from those bows, Bard is gonna be piety based, so in order to be effective in that class you have to take away some points from STR and DEX) so unlike the other jobs, that are gonna enhance what the class is already doing, Bard is gonna be totally different from Archer.
My point is, if when the job system is implemented Archer is gonna be Bard, are we gonna be willing to give up on the DPS and get a support Job? Or will we still want a simple Archer?

Honestly I thought Lancer was fitting much better to become Bard (and now all of the former dragoons are gonna kill me ; ; ) since it's slightly less effective as DD than Archer, but already has some buffing skills for the whole party (Surges and Comrade in Arms). I've got th feeling that it was supposed to be a DD/support class at the beginning, but the idea got scrapped by the new team because... well Lancer has to be Draoon, it can't be helped

Obviously these are all speculations since we still know nothing about the job system, but i'd like to know what you guys think about it.

[Speeral]

maybe piety for new ammo in terms of elemental arrows.

like how rangers upped mind to get better damage off of holy bolts?

[Krausus]

NB: this has nothing to do with Archer's nerf, AA or whatever.

I was looking at the new weapons and noticed that almost all of the bows have Piety attributes. It seemed quite odd to me, but then i thought that it might have something to do with the upcoming job system (Archer's job is supposed to be Bard).

But I still think it's an odd decision... Considering what we know so far, jobs are gonna be for parties and are gonna be some kind of "specialization" of each class, so there shouldn't be any reason why you might want your a Conjurer not to be WHM or your Gladiator not to be PLD... but what's the point in turning the most powerful DD class into a support Job? o.O I mean, once it becomes Bard it can't be that powerful (judging from those bows, Bard is gonna be piety based, so in order to be effective in that class you have to take away some points from STR and DEX) so unlike the other jobs, that are gonna enhance what the class is already doing, Bard is gonna be totally different from Archer.
My point is, if when the job system is implemented Archer is gonna be Bard, are we gonna be willing to give up on the DPS and get a support Job? Or will we still want a simple Archer?

Honestly I thought Lancer was fitting much better to become Bard (and now all of the former dragoons are gonna kill me ; ; ) since it's slightly less effective as DD than Archer, but already has some buffing skills for the whole party (Surges and Comrade in Arms). I've got th feeling that it was supposed to be a DD/support class at the beginning, but the idea got scrapped by the new team because... well Lancer has to be Draoon, it can't be helped

Obviously these are all speculations since we still know nothing about the job system, but i'd like to know what you guys think about it.

Doesn't Piety Effect Bloodletter?

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Doesn't Piety Effect Bloodletter?

Yes.

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[MyKotoShi]

Not trolling on your topic, but I fail to understand how this post came about. I never heard, read anything that would suggest this ARC <job> BRD setup. Could you relay a cite?

But taking from the subject, It's completely incomprehensible how the two could relate. Though I have my theory that classes won't be bound to just a single job, ex. CON <job> BLM or WHM. THM would seem best for a BRD. But I haven't put a lot of thought into it.

Job speculation is the worst hobby to invest in FFXIV imo. Gives me a headache. Simply too little official information.

[Alcide]

Doesn't Piety Effect Bloodletter?

LOL I had no clue it was that simple xD but well, the question Archer/Bard is still valid :P

[Alcide]

Not trolling on your topic, but I fail to understand how this post came about. I never heard, read anything that would suggest this ARC <job> BRD setup. Could you relay a cite?

But taking from the subject, It's completely incomprehensible how the two could relate. Though I have my theory that classes won't be bound to just a single job, ex. CON <job> BLM or WHM. THM would seem best for a BRD. But I haven't put a lot of thought into it.

Job speculation is the worst hobby to invest in FFXIV imo. Gives me a headache. Simply too little official information.

There was an interview on Famitsu (i think... not sure) where Yoshi said the first jobs are gonna be Paladin, Monk, Dragoon, Warrior, White Mage, Black Mage and Bard... he didn't say wich class corresponded to each job, but I guess it's quite clear...

[Krausus]

Not trolling on your topic, but I fail to understand how this post came about. I never heard, read anything that would suggest this ARC <job> BRD setup. Could you relay a cite?

But taking from the subject, It's completely incomprehensible how the two could relate. Though I have my theory that classes won't be bound to just a single job, ex. CON <job> BLM or WHM. THM would seem best for a BRD. But I haven't put a lot of thought into it.

Job speculation is the worst hobby to invest in FFXIV imo. Gives me a headache. Simply too little official information.

Basically Bard was confirmed as a job, people are speculating it will be archer because it fits even less for a Marauder, then again SE could surprise us and release Archanist at the same time they release jobs and it could go there.

[Neko_Yanagi]

I agree that Bard is a strange job to be connected to Archer, but as other's have said, it's speculation. But if it is true, I would be a bit torn. I loved Bard in FFXI, and I would like to see that role in this game. However, I really love archer (changes and all) in this game... It would just depend on how it is done, what changes are made, which is all at this point, pure speculation.

[MyKotoShi]

Ah yes Archanist. The class that always slips my mind. But the problem I see is bards wield instruments, there's no relation simply being guided by the armory system or should I scrap the idea because of the weapon? If my memory serves, Bard specializes in buff, debuff, enfeeble solo/aoe capability. Sounds like a relative to THM more than anything. But XI had Bards as pullers, so the idea on that level would trigger the thought of ARC, but still can't see it.

Again though, lol, this whole Job thing has nothing to aid us in our speculations.

Here is what "I" think:

PGL > MNK
GLA > PLD
MRD > WAR
ARC > ???
LNC > DRG
CON > WHM/BLM
THM > BRD

And why not:
ARC > RNG/SAM/THF

SAM might be pushing it, but XI has shown SAM's have a talent for bows. Speculate, speculate, speculate