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    Player
    Nabian's Avatar
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    Apr 2012
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Blanitar Abarhyrsyn
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Naryoril View Post
    Let me address a few points here

    Yes, obviously there are some really selfish players here, thinking "how does this player dare to be geared worse than i am? He'll take up 5 minutes of my gametime. I was always perfect in every regard." You know, you only improve your tanking by actually doing it, and you only really learn it if you are at your limits. If you only ever run dungeons when its horribly easy to tank, you will never be able to do it right when things start to go wrong.

    On top of that: i was on a break for a few months and i resubbed because some friends started playing (i also changed server because of this). Last time i played, there was only ever one person who thought you are a liability in AK with iLvl below 70 and abandoned FC members in there because of that. As a consequence he was kicked from the FC. Note: This was before the dungeon was nerfed.

    And: In all the later runs in there (or any other dungeon from the high level duty roulette) i never had a group dealing that much damage again. Nor did the healer i was with during that run (he's the only of my friends who was lvl 50 at the time).
    So much about knowing being at a disadvantage/liability.

    Now to the next part: So you suggest before people go to a dungeon where iLvl 55 or 60 gear drops, you have to grind the crafting profession for that class to 50 and craft iLvl 70 gear? Don't you see what's wrong with this trail of thought?

    Next: If there are 2 mobs of the same type and the DD attacks the one which was not marked, it can't be the wrong target. Even if, why not simply tell the tank? I'll pick that up again in the TL;DR.

    Next: Most of my friends were behind in level (since my paladin was already around 35 when i resubbed, in connection with the 50% higher-class-xp-bonus and the 50% rested-xp-bonus), even now we can just barely put a group of 4 people together. And since i changed server, i don't know anyone else here.

    TL;DR: You apparently are the kind of unhelpful elitist player new players often complain about.
    First off your not holding one player back your holding 3 others back. Secondly, I never said it was "unacceptable to run AK in less than i70 gear" but lets be realistic. Ilvl 70 gear is absurdly cheap and there is no reason not to level a craft or purchase the items off the MB. From completing the main story alone you should have 200-300k gil. Why not buy it?

    The reason the dungeon drops ilvl55 gear (ak doesn't drop ilvl60 gear afaik anymore) is because it was designed to be run by lower level 50s when it was first released. As a player who is late to the game you are at a severe disadvantage. It is your job to minimize that disadvantage as best as possible.

    Lastly...elitists?! hardly. If a new player is struggling I have no problems giving helpful advice. The OP was complaining about holding hate, I provided suggestions. If players are struggling because of their laziness or lack of intelligence is when I get frustrated.
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    Last edited by Nabian; 06-23-2014 at 11:23 PM.

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    Player
    Naryoril's Avatar
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    Y'sira Nia
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nabian View Post
    Lastly...elitists?! hardly. If a new player is struggling I have no problems giving helpful advice. The OP was complaining about holding hate, I provided suggestions. If players are struggling because of their laziness or lack of intelligence is when I get frustrated.
    "Only my way is the right way, and if somone does it differently i don't care about their reasons, may they be correct or wrong, and i still do it my way without talking with anyone about it, no matter what problems this may cause to the group. And if they don't abide by my rules, they are bad and/or lazy players, i don't care about their circumstances or if they have an inherent disadvantage compared to me."

    If this isn't elitist, then what is?

    Or why do you just attack the targets you deem most important and not the one the tank marks? If you are so helpful, why don't you tell the tank he should mark another target first, and also tell him why you think so? Maybe the tank has his reasons which are equally or even more valid as yours and you can learn something from it? Unless you are an elitist who is always right and being wrong is out of the question. And maybe you are completely right, the tank will thank you and change the killing order in the future and everyone will be satisfied.

    If you are that annoyed by random people who are not up to your standards, be it by skill, gear, time investment or any other measure, then play with people from your FC. Helping out other people who are not as good (by whatever measure) and/or who don't know enough people to do always do the dungeons with, is the major point of the duty roulette. If you use it, then expect to run into those people.
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