Tank disrespect.

[Maero]

I would like to point out at this point to any DPS that might see this. DPS are a dime a dozen. There is no composition requirements for any of the regular dungeons. YOU DO NOT run the raid. YOU DO NOT call the shots. YOU DO NOT make the rules. YOU ARE NOT special. In fact, YOU ARE as replaceable as a 50 cent light bulb. "We had another DPS within a minute of two" About the time it takes to replace a light bulb.

That's nice, well i have done dungeons before with only 2 dps and 1 healer (Haukke HM) so tanks like yourself are by no means needed. Tanks after all are easy to come by
Would actually like to see you do a dungeon without dps. Tanks that do large pulls should know how to keep agro, especially those of us black mages that use quelling strikes and give more then enough time to keep agro and yet we still get it. And when i go as summoner or Bard i do add dots to other mobs, but if you loose agro to those you really need not be a tank

[Fue]

Also, random point about Flash: it doesn't benefit from FoF (or any +dam buff, in fact). FoF buffs damage, and Flash doesn't deal any.

Actually from my testing maim, unchained and berserk all affect flash.

I think the reason why FoF doesnt is because it only increases physical dmg and flash is considered magic even if it doesnt deal dmg.
Which also means it isnt effected by skillspeed but spellspeed.

[shape]

no but you do need to make sure that you cover your ass when posting on forums. which is why it was a bigger post then usual.

my example is in the post you quoted i leave out info and get a stupid response.

[Nabian]

I know exactly how threat works. As a tank, your job is to hold hate. If you lose hate for whatever reason, whether a DPS was going all out AoE the second you Tomahawk\Shield Lob, or your just a bad tank, it's still your job to hold hate. Just because a DPS isn't performing correctly doesn't mean I'm going to let them die. I'm still going to do my job and get hate back. By sitting there and watching them your are failing to perform your job.

When I tank, I really don't care if DPS pull extra mobs. If it wipes us then fine..i'll ask them to stop but otherwise it just speeds up the dungeon which is always a good thing. Why does it bother you so much? Is it because they took your leadership role away and hurt your feelings? Someone sounds butt hurt to me.

[shape]

When i let some one die its only that one person i have never caused a wipe doing this they, die the next person on threat list is me or the healer. (if its the healer they covered or i already have threat before they get hit.)Tanking is about controlling the run why should i let a someone who is going out of their way to be disruptive carry on doing so.

If you don't mind people pulling more then that is your preference maybe you should partner up with the leeroy white mage i had in stone vigil low level roullete. He pulled all the mobs from the start up to the 1st room on the left. ( so obvious he wanted to be kicked and acted like an idiot).No i didn't go after him, he was later kicked by the party leader and we went on to do a steady run with no wipes. ( yes i wish it was quicker but no one was max level except me, so i worked with that RNG gave me)

If i got but hurt over wipes then i'm not a good tank(shit happens). Ill let people decide this one would you rather have a tank who goal is to make the run go as well as possible with no wipes( if it can be helped) or Nabian who lets people do BS crap risking more wipes then needed and overall slowing the run down, adding extra stress on healers list goes on.

[Nicole_Valkyrie]

Well, I really like to be tank

[echoica]

I'm sorry but I gotta laugh when I see a thread title like this. I find tanks are the most hard headed, disrespectful of the lot. Not to generalize of course :P Not waiting for buffs, forcing new parties to skip rooms and speed run everything, dismissive of good advice etc. Tanks: Get over yourselves. You're not all special little snowflakes xD Again, sorry to generalize.

[Nicole_Valkyrie]

I find tanks are the most hard headed, disrespectful of the lot. Not waiting for buffs, forcing new parties to skip rooms and speed run everything, dismissive of good advice. You're not all special little snowflakes xD

Ouch... that hurted... But I understand you. Yesterday I was lvling my thaumaturge class and the tank... Omg... He was with the MP bar full and with afraid of calling the enemies and I, as Pala as my main class, was trying to help him saying "use flash. a LOT". We were at lvl 17 which is even more reason to use flash like no tomorrow. I tried to help and make an enemie sleep in which pull and just in the end he was respecting my decision, because the healer was almost dying, and waited for my sleeping enemie to attack the others. What can I say... My boyfriend was lvling arcanist and so we fight with his carbuncle too :b So the tank was almost just pulling one mob since one was sleeping and the other with the carbuncle

[blackcitadel9]

It's not the disrespect that gets to me (for any class or role), it's the ignorance. DPS with two settings On and Off, if they pull, it's your fault. Can't possibly be their fault. Healers who spam HoTs and AoE heals like they are going out of style, then wonder why the mobs immediately chase after them and yes Tanks who don't use (or know how to use) their enmity abilities and blame the DPS or Healer for pulling.
I'd say the game needs to do a better job of giving all roles an awareness of enmity, but to be honest even if it did...most of the offenders won't read it or pay attention. They'll just skip through it like everything else.

[Naryoril]

It's not the disrespect that gets to me (for any class or role), it's the ignorance.

Ignorance itself isn't the problem, we all were new once. The problem is when ignorance is coupled with ignoring advice more experienced players give you and/or complete lack of communication.

@DPS pulling: If it's going too slow for you, just tell the tank to pull more than one group at a time. Maybe he'll listen and everyone will be happy in the end, maybe he'll just ignore you or maybe he'll say that he doesn't want to for some reason. But just pulling right away is the worst possible solution, you can think about that if the tank just ignores you.