oh and also somewhere around that level, maybe vigil tanks need o learn o avoid aoes, not such a big deal prior (except bombs), espec. since alot of early aoes can be shut down, but a leveling tank might not be aware of the gravity of the aoes in the higher level instances esecially ones that produce stacks. Most people are usually receptive to information but other go on the aggressive blaming everyone else. I find usually it is more the aoe then the number of adds that can bring a tank down quick. When there is adds I wouldn't let tank health fall too low before you start casting. I understand conserving mana but you will be healingthe same amount of hp regardless and it could mean the difference between life an death in the end. I typically dont like my tank to ever get to half health i start casting as soon as they take a hit. and it leaves me time to spam some d.o.t.s allowing enemies to come down quicker making my healing brayflox easier.