Ramuh: A History and Speculation

[Saikou]

It is difficult for a non-speaker of German to understand if the speaker is angry sometimes. I just don't have an ear for it. My Prussian ancestors are rolling in their graves, I'm sure. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I cannot tell if his inflection is trying to indicate anger in the German version, nor the French version for that matter. He certainly could be said to have a judgmental tone in the English version. Perhaps in the Japanese as well. As for the French and German, 話さないで聞こえない (i don't speak and I don't hear).

[Catapult]

Judgemental is a good way to describe his tone in the German in my opinion. Mixed with a little "peeved".
But I'd need more context to be certain.

[Saikou]

In a week and a half we can have our context... -sigh-

[Alice_89th]

Sou sonna hito wa itsukara yami o kakaeru you ni natta
そうそんな人は何時から闇を抱えるようになった




This is entirely by 200 level japanese combined with some googling.

"sou sonna" Combination of "I see/understand" and "This." It could be a preposition and fluff as I've translated it, or it could be an expression of understanding in response to a comment that we didn't get to hear."you ni natta" .

I am guessing it is a reference to something we didn't get to hear.
If he was talking about 人/people in the sentences before what we hear, this expression makes sense.

The very different lines in all the different languages make my head hurt. It could be that we are just hearing slightly different parts of the conversation, but if all of these are supposed to be the same moment I am very very confused.

[LineageRazor]

Not all primals temper their beastmen worshippers, though.

The implication in the storyline, though, is that tempering (or touching, or drowning, or whatever) is an unavoidable part of the summoning process. It's stated that Ramuh does not seek to temper people - and yet, the East Shroud is busting at the seams with tempered Sylphs. If the storyline is to be believed, Ramuh has no reason to temper his own people, so the fact that so many of them are now tempered indicates that it was done involuntarily.

It's my belief that tempering is an innate part of the summoning process. If you summon a primal, you become tempered by that primal whether or not you or the primal wants it to happen. The Sylphs that summoned Ramuh became touched, and once Ramuh did his part and left, they swelled their ranks by capturing and converting other Sylphs.

I think that it's likely that the Kobolds, Ixali, and so on have plenty of tempered in their midst; they just don't see any point in converting everyone else, because even untempered members of those races are fiercely devoted to their primal, and have no problems following the instructions of the tempered ones. The schism between touched and untouched Sylphs is much more visable as the untouched Sylphs disagree with the touched sylphs' agendas and mindsets.

[Enkidoh]

That's actually not entirelly correct - tempering is shown to actually be done purely on the whim of the Primal, with Ifrit being the one to do it most zealously. Garuda only tried doing it on the player after all her other options at subduing the player had failed (ala, brute force), and she never attempted it again (for instance, she could have easily tempered Gaius when he waltzed in and slaughtered the Ixal who summoned her, but she didn't). No, tempering is a very conscious choice by the Primal and not a side-effect of their summoning, as it's what the game shows and tells us.

[Nestama]

Let's also remember that Titan was once defeated by a group of people who do not have the Echo.

If this has already been said, my bad. Haven't read through the entire thread yet. I also don't remember too much of the questline plot as it has been awhile and it was uuuurgh.

[Alberel]

I am guessing it is a reference to something we didn't get to hear.
If he was talking about 人/people in the sentences before what we hear, this expression makes sense.

The very different lines in all the different languages make my head hurt. It could be that we are just hearing slightly different parts of the conversation, but if all of these are supposed to be the same moment I am very very confused.

It's quite common in localizations for the structure of dialogue to be completely rearranged so that what is said first in one language is said last in another. It's quite possible that the clip in the trailer is part of an extended speech from Ramuh and the differences in each language are the result of said restructuring of his dialogue to suit each language.

Judging by that German translation though he's making some reference to the Ascians in a negative light which is curious.

[Alice_89th]

It's quite common in localizations for the structure of dialogue to be completely rearranged so that what is said first in one language is said last in another. It's quite possible that the clip in the trailer is part of an extended speech from Ramuh and the differences in each language are the result of said restructuring of his dialogue to suit each language.

The structure differences are almost jarring if you have the Japanese audio and English text like I have. But that is a choice I made so I'll have to live with it. Languages work in different ways so structure differences can't be avoided. (Still as someone who likes and studies translation, I'd like to talk with the translation team and hear their motivation for certain changes one day. Not saying things are wrong or right, I'd just like to hear the line of thought).


Back on topic: from the quest titles in the preliminary patch notes it certainly looks like we will first go to talk with Ramuh, and battle him at a later moment in time.

[Saikou]

LineageRazor, it's implied if not outright stated in the storyline that everyone who participated in Ramuh's summoning was tempered by him. The only thing fairly unique about Ramuh is that he does not seek confrontation, he is merely a defender.

Anyhoo... I've recently discovered Game Theory, and their series on FF summons is interesting... Ramuh is talked about at the very end of this, the second vid in the series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fbldmm-zX4

The FF concept of Ramuh is actually Indra, but they're kinda the same thing...