Ramuh: A History and Speculation

[Kuwagami]

there was an interview when Yoshida basically said that Ramuh would fight because "something" would represent a threat in his eyes.

[ShackledDreams]

there was an interview when Yoshida basically said that Ramuh would fight because "something" would represent a threat in his eyes.

I think this about sums it up. The Warriors if Light or Defenders of Eorzea have taken down several primals already, most recently being Leviathan, but also Odin who also takes up residence in the Shroud. I think this is as good a reason as any for a Primal to consider the five races to be a threat, but especially those with the Echo. My hope though is that they flesh out the Odin lore a bit more and Ramuh's involvement ends up being more of a territorial reason since Odin resides with the Shroud as well. Maybe showing a rivalry between Primals, but this may simply be wishful thinking on my part.

[gornotck]

I don't see any of the primals as being evil, even with the brainwashing. They simply provide their tribes with the power that they yearn for. Power, without cost, is corrupting.

This corruption makes them more like their Primal, and less like themselves.

The Sylphs, as an example, are described as mischief makers. One and all. Ramuh's influence made their Violet kin isolationist, defensive, and without remorse. They do mischief without mercy, so they often take it too far, all in the name of defending the Sylphlands. They try, even to the point of kidnapping and enslavement, to bring unturned sylphs into the fold, because they're drawn to community as trees and grass to meadows and forests.

This does not make them 'evil'.

[WellFooled]

I don't see any of the primals as being evil, even with the brainwashing. They simply provide their tribes with the power that they yearn for. Power, without cost, is corrupting.

But we know without a doubt that tempering is a real thing. Brainwashing, as you described it. The Primals aren't just giving the beastmen more power, they're removing their individuality, taking away their freedom. This isn't a result of the corrupting influence of power, this is a supernatural removal of their free will.

But you're right, they do provide the beastmen with some power. However that's like making a deal with the devil. Sure, he might give you ungodly fiddling skills but he's going to take your soul too.

This does not make them 'evil'.

If what the Primals do was possible in the real world, I'm absolutely sure it would be considered the worst possible offense you could commit. It is essentially hollowing a person out and putting something else inside. If this isn't evil, what would be?

[LaurelinKementari]

But we know without a doubt that tempering is a real thing. Brainwashing, as you described it. The Primals aren't just giving the beastmen more power, they're removing their individuality, taking away their freedom. This isn't a result of the corrupting influence of power, this is a supernatural removal of their free will.

Not all primals temper their beastmen worshippers, though. Leviathan for example, is freely worshipped by the Sahagin. Even the friendly Sahagin of the daily quests worship him, they are only of the opinion that the other Sahagin shouldn't force that worship onto shorewalkers (well, some of them do, the Sahagin giving the 7+ reputation quests says the Drowned have their place). This is even more so the case for Titan, who even on the official site is described as a father to the Kobolds. From what little dialogue we got of him, Titan genuinely cares for the Kobolds and considers them his children. Their is no evidence he has tempered any Kobolds, ever. Again, he only tempered members of the other races, and I think it was only in battle against the Company of Heroes, but I'm not sure.

Heck, even Garuda only tried to temper us, the player, when we pissed her off too much. The Ixali seem to worship her willingly, without tempering.

[LaurelinKementari]

I would actually hope we get something beyond the "Summon -> 'Mine is an evil Primal! ROAR!' -> Primal Loot" from Ramuh. Even if he is a primal and has to be slain due to his nature as an aether-sucking entity, that doesn't mean he has to be a bland, roaring B-movie monster. Ramuh is always portrayed as wise and a sage, so I hope to see this represented. Elder Frixio, too, described Ramuh as "neither callous nor cruel". Basically, I hope for some personality from him. Perhaps he has some interesting light to shed on the Ascians, on Shiva or the Garlean threat. Just because he's a primal doesn't mean everything he has to say should be ignored or that his wisdom can't be helpful.

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Its also a Cybertronain perspective.

[Darske]

I like the idea tha Ramuh might view the Echo as a threat. It would certainly keep in line with the trend of recent plot revealing more and more about the Echo to us.

I think it's also possible that those pesky Garleans will set him off somehow. They're certainly already invading his domain, and who knows whether or not Ramuh will descriminate where he throws his levin fury?

But if we do have some dialogue with Ramuh before he becomes a threat, or after defeating him, I would really love it. In my opinion, one of the best scenes in the 1.0 plot was conversing with Ifrit. Not even fighting him, but just having this extremely powerful and fearsome creature deliver some plot to you before telling you to get off his lawn before he roasts you alive. Something akin to that with Ramuh would be an even more powerful experience now, since we've only seen primals as enemies to this point.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I think it's also possible that those pesky Garleans will set him off somehow. They're certainly already invading his domain, and who knows whether or not Ramuh will descriminate where he throws his levin fury?

The remaining Garleans in Eorzea have other things to worry about than doing things that will make a primal want to step on them, frankly. Their entire chain of command is utterly annihilated, the only guy left of that chain is too busy watching NOAH, cackling to himself, and basically trying to be a Bond villain, and there's zero help coming from the main body since their very presence in Eorzea is against imperial decree. So I sort of doubt that the Garleans are going to be involved in this mess.

[Phyllo]

The remaining Garleans in Eorzea have other things to worry about than doing things that will make a primal want to step on them, frankly. Their entire chain of command is utterly annihilated, the only guy left of that chain is too busy watching NOAH, cackling to himself, and basically trying to be a Bond villain, and there's zero help coming from the main body since their very presence in Eorzea is against imperial decree. So I sort of doubt that the Garleans are going to be involved in this mess.

What if they wanted to retreat back to garlemald? They have to go through the shroud to do so, more precisely to go dangerously near the sylph territory (the path with the magitech armor fate) so they may indeed do something stupid while fleeing